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Celtic technology

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There really should be a section on ancient Celtic technological innovation. The Belgae were responsible for developing the heavy plough, that could tackle heavier clay soils. The Celts were reported by the Romans to be the originators or iron rimmed wheels - where a hot iron tyre was shrunk onto a spoked wheel. They are also described as the originators of iron helmets and mail armour, and the Celtiberians were responsible for the prototypes of the Roman gladius hispaniensis sword. Decorative enamelling of metalwork is also a notable Celtic technology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Urselius (talkcontribs) 14:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2024

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The Celts. Cain-Kain-qayin Dissendance (Theory)

Eve and adam sons: The names Cain and Abel are Latin/English transliterations of the Greek names as found in the Septuagint (2,000 year old Greek translation of the Hebrew). In Greek, Cain is Καιν (Kain) and Abel is Αβελ (Abel). These are in turn Greek transliterations of the Hebrew. In Hebrew Cain is קין (qayin) and Abel is חבל (havel) 2603:8001:AD00:8EFC:5D75:86BC:F26D:881C (talk) 08:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - You have not described what edit you would like to be made, nor provided any reliable secondary sources for any such claim. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:51, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

THE CELTS ARE.

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"The Balts ARE", "The Slavs ARE" but "The Celts were"? Every other European ethno-linguistic group has a single article discussing them as a modern people but the Celts have two, one which speaks of us in the past tense and another which also quotes racists who deny our very existence. 84.203.151.5 (talk) 03:10, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article does not discuss them as a modern people. The existence of a current Celtic ethno-linguistic group, or at least a monolithic one, is very questionable. Most scholars are reluctant to accept it. I think you'll find many other nations have similar divisions - Germany, Italy, Belgium etc etc. Johnbod (talk) 04:17, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The historic Keltoi were a Germanic people who lived in the Alps in Classical Greek times. The first usage of "Celt" to refer to people in the British Isles is from the late 17th century. There is no connection whatsoever between the historic Keltoi and modern "Celts", other than one group appropriating the name of the other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.87.143.164 (talk) 19:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@197.87.143.164 Forgive me for my ignorance, but this article seems to focus on the (indisputably?) not Germanic Celtic people, and lists the Gaels (who definitely exist today) as being descendants of the Celts. I know that thousands of years of cultural evolution and dominance by other groups has changed Celtic culture, but is there any source for the idea that modern Celts are wholly unrelated to ancient Celts? KiwiNova (talk) 00:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DNA shows us the modern Celts (Brythonic and Gaelic speakers) are not the descendants of the Celts noted by ancient Greeks and Romans. Linguists categorize Brythonic and Gaelic as Celtic languages. DNA indicates the Gaels and Britons are cousins to the Celts. Common usage of Celtic works well both genetically and linguistically as a branch of Indo-European language and people. Unless a new name is coined for the branch, Gaels and Britons are Celts. Gortaleen (talk) 11:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gortaleen Building on this, I would also note that genetic heritage and cultural heritage are not the same thing (see the Pots not People debate). I do think there is a solid enough cultural and historical connection between ancient and modern Celts to consider reframing this article and emphasizing that it focuses on the ancient Celts (as opposed to implying, as it does, that the ancient Celts were the only Celts). KiwiNova (talk) 11:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As far as such an implication (does it imply it?) is concerned, the very first look at the article (e.g. the top map) acknowledges that modern Celtic languages are still spoken on the Western Fringe. There is no doubt that there are still speakers of Celtic languages around, and the article does not put this into question in the least. The concept of "Modern Celts" is an entirely different kettle of fish, though. I'm okay with both the articles for Celtic and Germanic peoples being concerned with the ancient ethnolinguistic groups, not with modern ones, even if the person originally ticking this cascade off took umbrage at the different treatments for the Balts and Slavs. Trigaranus (talk) 20:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

M269

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M269 spread in Late Neolithic, this should be indicated in the map caption. --95.24.68.172 (talk) 04:56, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]