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LLCC

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Of this disambiguation, one is a red link, meaning only two topics (a part of a tropical cyclone and a community college) are covered by this. As Wikipedia's guidelines on disambiguation pages states that these types of articles need a minimum of three topics to exist, I believe it should be deleted. Tavantius (talk) 16:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Never seen a disambiguation page for deletion. The abbreviation LLCC would still need to go to a primary topic with a hatnote noting the other valid option. In this case, redirect LLCC to Lincoln Land Community College with a hatnote listing LLCC redirects here and "low-level circulation center" as a part of a tropical cyclone. However, I see more options for LLCC available with search. – The Grid (talk) 16:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of discontinued Guinness World Records

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Starting AfD page after objection to deletion Dingers5Days (talk) 16:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I do not believe this article meets WP:NLIST. There are reliable sources mentioning a specific discontinued record, but not as a list. I have only found articles from Mental Floss [1], Grunge [2], and Cracked [3]. Cracked has been considered generally unreliable, and the other 2 are not listed on WP:RSP. Dingers5Days (talk) 16:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Colleˊ Kharis

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a musician and filmmaker, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for either musicians or filmmakers. The attempted notability claim here is minor film and music awards that aren't prominent enough to clinch an instant notability pass in the absence of solidly reliable sourcing, but the article is referenced almost entirely to primary sources rather than reliable ones -- YouTube, Q&A interviews in which he's talking about himself in the first person, music metaverifying its own existence on Spotify or Apple Music, marketing content self-published by his own record label, his own social media accounts, etc. -- and the very few marginally (but not solidly) reliable sources are not enough to get him over WP:GNG all by themselves if the sourcing is 95 per cent garbage otherwise.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have much, much better references than this. Bearcat (talk) 15:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Trump rally at Madison Square Garden

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Fails WP:NOTNEWS and WP:TOOSOON. We don't need a page for every rally held during an election season, only if they are particularly notable (i.e. his rally in Butler, PA). I don't see anything that makes this one specifically notable; sure, there's been plenty coverage on the bizzare racist remarks made at it but that happens every time. CoconutOctopus talk 15:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Let’s wait until we get more information about the rally to put into the article.

Considering Tony Hinchecliffe’s comments could potentially cost Trump Pennsylvania, I think this rally will be looked back on as as a major event in the election.

I think the article should stay. ZachM097 (talk) 15:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but Wait until after the election concludes before re-assessing it's notability. Let's not rush to delete an article with plenty of coverage based on lack of WP:LASTING notability which may very well develop. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 15:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep WP:TOOSOON and WP:NOTNEWS are very good arguments, but I do not believe that this article is beyond saving. The rally is undoubtedly notable, and it won't be too soon for long. MultPod (talk) 15:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MultPod: Why is the rally notable, aside from WP:CRYSTAL predictions about its effect on the election outcome? Most of the talking at the rally wasn't even by Trump himself based on the article... Dan the Animator 17:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep — agreeing with others. This rally has a good chance of being retrospectively well-known for costing Trump the election with the Puerto Rico joke, if he loses narrowly. If the election is not particularly close, or Trump wins, there won't be a compelling narrative to be made about it, so post-election maybe it will not have lasting coverage. DemonDays64 (talk•contribs) 16:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of post–2016 election Donald Trump rallies#2024 presidential campaign We already have an article for this, and as-is right now the article is just a list of names, which can easily be covered in the format of the rally article; it's also already mentioned in the main 2024 campaign article too. Nate • (chatter) 16:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect; the arguments above are largely WP:CRYSTAL/WP:OR. There's nothing inherently notable about this rally as of now that would justify an article. How's this rally any different/special from his other ones? Dan the Animator 17:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do Not Enter (upcoming film)

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Could not find any news coverage of this film more recent than what is present in the article. I didn't even find any sources on the name change. Does not appear to be notable given current limited coverage. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 15:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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TCDD Subdivision 3

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I think there are too many articles about Turkish rail. This has been tagged for years as unsourced and the Turkish article is strangely cited. If readers might wish to know the regions we could link from Turkish State Railways to https://static.tcdd.gov.tr/webfiles/userfiles/files/sebekebildirimi/2025/ing/3219.pdf where they are shown in the lowest map Chidgk1 (talk) 15:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrew Knack

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WP:BLP of a politician, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NPOL #2. To be fair, Edmonton is a large and prominent enough city that its city councillors could qualify for articles if they were substantive and properly sourced -- but the only attempts at content about his work on council shown here are "he participated in various committees relevant to city governance" (i.e. did his job) and "utilized social media platforms to inform constituents about local issues and gather public feedback" (i.e. did his job), without stating or sourcing anything about the impact of his work.
We would need to see things like specific projects he spearheaded, specific effects his work had on the development of the city, evidence that his notability nationalizes beyond just Edmonton alone, and on and so forth, but there's absolutely none of that here.
And for sourcing, this is referenced entirely to one primary source (reduplicated as four distinct footnotes for no obvious reason) that isn't support for notability at all, and two deadlinked (but recoverable) hits of run of the mill local coverage of his decision to step down and not run for reelection next year, which is not enough to get him over NPOL's requirement for significant press coverage all by itself if it's the only non-primary sourcing on the table.
Simply existing as a city councillor is in no way "inherently" notable enough to exempt the article from having to be a lot more substantive, and a lot better sourced, than this. Bearcat (talk) 14:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Roman Miroshnichenko

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Wikipedia is not a vanity publisher or a PR platform. Refbombed spam for non notable individual. Has a massive primary sourced laundry list of so called awards but they are not major awards (or for the most part remotely credible). Last Afd closed no consensus largely on the validity of the Independent Music Awards (IMAs) (now deleted) but they are not a major award and are not even a notable award. None of the many listed charts are GOODCHARTS. Refbombed sources lack independent coverage in reliable sources. Curated by a single SPA who despite being blocked is still updating this PR. duffbeerforme (talk) 14:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Does the International Songwriting Competition confer notability? The article for the award has a few citations to RS calling it "prestigious", mostly the Irish newspaper article... Not sure about notability otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 14:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

lol 'prestigious' is a word that barely exists outside press releases - if you see it in a news item it's a giveaway that the piece is probably churnalism. Things which are genuinely prestigious (Nobel, Emmy etc.) are never described as 'prestigious'. Mccapra (talk) 16:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charley (Andrew Jackson captive)

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Sad story which may be a paragraph in some other article perhaps (but where?), but not a notable subject on its own. Fram (talk) 10:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Theodore (Andrew Jackson captive) at a new page titled Creek members of the Andrew Jackson household or similar, which should obviously also refer to Lyncoya Jackson. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: President Andrew Jackson was somewhat unique in his adoption of native American children. All of these should be kept: Theodore, Charley and Lyncoya. The issue with merging is that it would be too large for many readers. This is a substantive part of Jackson's life and should be kept. — Maile (talk) 15:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aside. I object to the word "captive". That doesn't jibe with this article or Theodore's. Neither was captured by Jackson, and it seems to me to be a POV slur against him. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Clarityfiend It's funny, after reading the sources published in the last 20 years, I think I object to calling Lyncoya his "adopted son" but that's mostly me being emo and a different discussion that probably happens on generational timescales. ANYWAY, I assumed it would get moved at some point and I am very excited to see what another brain thinks of. My only caveat is that Theodore is not confirmed to have been Muscogee, and based on cultural norms of the time, was very possibly given as a gift/tribute by an ally (see Charley), so the title shouldn't be Theodore (Muscogee). I don't think it abrogates him being a captive that Jackson didn't personally throw a net over him and carry him home--Jackson had possession of a bunch of orphaned babies that didn't belong to him because he was a local warlord running a race war--but it doesn't need to be in the title of the article. But I don't know what else to use. Halp? jengod (talk) 14:33, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- ADD: We could arguably merge them both into Lyncoya as subsections. I didn't do that in the first place because these two were separate human people with distinct stories and their burial in brittle letters and footnotes for much of the past 200 years was not accidental. They were very intentionally excluded from the narrative. jengod (talk) 14:57, 23 October 2024 (UTC

Clarityfiend,Jengod: Another thought comes to mind here: we look at this through the eyes of our era. There is a old tradition in Hawaii, even now, called Hānai (informal adoption) whereby parents gave their children to others to be raised. One of the reasons in earlier years was because you weren't likely to go to war against someone who was raising your child. Hānai is still practiced there, for a variety of reasons. We don't know the background (do we?) of why Jackson got these native American children. But there might have been reasoning for it. — Maile (talk) 04:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Andrew Jackson's Native American pet"? He called him a pet, so no slur here against the esteemed slaveholder, we wouldn't want to do that of course. Fram (talk) 09:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- As bad as that sounds in 2024, language changes over the centuries. "a pampered and usually spoiled child" Merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pet among a lot of different definitions pulled up by a search. Unless we can dig up the year 1814 definition, we'll never know. — Maile (talk) 00:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joey Luft

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Clear case of WP:NOTINHERITED. As evidenced in all the refs. TheLongTone (talk) 13:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Two shows in the 60s (Boat passenger and "himself") that seem rather trivial, then nothing until the 2000's, seems rather non-notable. Otherwise, he's the kid of a famous couple/person. I don't really see why he gets an article. Could be briefly mentioned in the Judy Garland article about his efforts to "preserve her legacy" I suppose. Oaktree b (talk) 14:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Subject lacks significant impact to meet notability per WP:GNG Also Article is poorly written and hence fail what an encyclopedia is. Tesleemah (talk) 15:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Despoilers of the Golden Empire

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No refs on the page for many years. Nothing much found which could be added which would count towards the notability criteria JMWt (talk) 13:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Crazy Bus

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Not notable besides its brief appearance on Angry Video Game Nerd. Fails WP:GNG. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Lacks notability. Gumboot! 🌵 ^(talk) 14:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Okinawa City Stadium

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No refs on the page. Nothing much found which suggests notability outside of FC Ryukyu JMWt (talk) 13:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Does appear to be a historic venue, although its Japanese article is poor with sources. A quick Google search in Japanese about its history does not reveal much (although my Japanese comprehension is poor, so if anyone more fluent in it does show coverage I may change my opinion). Takipoint123 (talk) 14:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments There is also Okinawa Arena however this stadium doesn't appear to be mentioned at Okinawa (city), maybe a redirect and part merge to the city article? It sounds like a multi-use venue hence that redirect. It's possible the article could be cleaned up and sources found. If that's the case ping me. Govvy (talk) 14:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Govvy: From what I am seeing they are part of the same district in the city, the Koza sports park. Perhaps a short description of Koza Sports Park and Okinawa Arena + Okinawa City Stadium could be added to the Okinawa (city) article? Takipoint123 (talk) 15:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Murder of Yafim Weinstein

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. No indication of notability. Common occurence. scope_creep^Talk 09:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There's no indication that Weinstein's death is specifically noticeable. Cortador (talk) 21:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment several of the sources in this article are SIGCOV, so it definitely does not fail that. Sigcov being defined as it is in the guideline as content that "addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content." Whether it passes WP:NEVENT is a different matter. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I agree with PARAKANYAA that there is plenty of SIGCOV. I would like to see more lasting yet, according to nom, the problem is SIGCOV. No such problem. gidonb (talk) 23:36, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After Pharaoh of the Wizards's research, I feel better about LASTING. Kudos for identifying so many good sources, Pharaoh! I had seen MUCH MORE SIGCOV, in Hebrew, in the 2009–2016 range. gidonb (talk) 22:51, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Hebrew Wikipedia is not even referenced. And going around putting text in uppercase is the typical fare from yourself. scope_creep^Talk 16:17, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A few words in uppercase come really handy. Folks can quickly see where you put your emphasis. It's respectful to fellow-Wikipedians, who are also plowing through large amounts of information and trying to make good sense of it. Now you say something about a lack of referencing on Hewiki. Can you put that comment on the talk page over there? It's a bit out of context here. I can make sure that the fine reference it has also is included here. gidonb (talk) 22:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. gidonb (talk) 22:32, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep clearly passes WP:SIGCOV and there is a book Somalia in Transition published in 2017 which mentions the subject briefly while the murder took place in 2009 this is the only source I could find towards WP:LASTING other articles are from 2009 ,2010.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:14, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^[1] ^[2] ^[3] ^[4] ^[5]

References

^ Lappin, Yaakov (30 November 2009). "Taxi driver found dead in cab in North". The Jerusalem Post. Retrieved 24 October 2024.
^ "Nazareth Imam Convicted of Inciting Terror". Israel National News. Retrieved 24 October 2024.
^ Shay, S. (2017). Somalia in Transition Since 2006. Taylor & Francis. p. 1-PT87. ISBN 978-1-351-48876-1. Retrieved 24 October 2024.
^ Azriel, Guy (28 June 2010). "7 Nazareth residents indicted for attacks against Jews, Christians". CNN. CNN. Archived from the original on 9 September 2014. Retrieved 8 September 2014.
^ Ashkenazi, Eli (15 July 2010). "Shin Bet Arrests Eight Israeli Arabs for Illicit Arms Trading". Haaretz.com. Retrieved 24 October 2024.

Comment The problem with the coverage is the WP:ROUTINE nature of a generic event, a taxi driver killed, that happens as a regular event all over the planet and has been happening with Jews and other folk for centuries. There is not a single thing makes this standout event as anything special, yet it has been elevated in a manner that doesn't fit. That is the reason I sent it for delete. We record the mundane, the mediocre and the generic on here and we don't know how to get rid of this trash. Here is one [4] in reverse. scope_creep^Talk 04:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Getting a lot of 403's and a couple of passing mention on this entirely routine report of murder. I cant seem to see them. I'll try in the morning again but it does seem complete mundane, mediocre and generic reporting. scope_creep^Talk 02:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Non-notable crime, happened over a decade ago, the sentencing happened, then nothing. I don't see any lasting coverage of the event, nothing terribly notable it seems. Oaktree b (talk) 14:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adventures in a City that does not Exist

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Non-notable film, does not appear to have received notable coverage in English or Russian (WP:GNG). While it was produced at a notable film studio and involved some significant Soviet actors such as Nikolai Grinko and Valery Nosik playing main roles, it does not appear to be considered a significant part of their careers and thus does not satisfy the guidelines at WP:FILM.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 12:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Electoral cycle of Turkey

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If this was cited I would suggest merging it into elections in Turkey but it has been tagged uncited for years maybe it should just be deleted as I think it is important for electoral info here to be correct in order to support the democratic process Chidgk1 (talk) 10:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge the unstated content to Elections in Turkey if reliable sources are found, if not, Redirect to Elections in Turkey. Completely unsourced, and I don't see the need for a separate page as most of the content is described in Elections in Turkey. Also, this page is the only "electoral cycle" page on the wiki, although the term is recognized in the Cambridge Dictionary. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 21:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Elections in Turkey. Mccapra (talk) 19:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My first comment would be Keep as the article gives a good visual timeline for the elections. If not, then the first section (Elections) can be merged with Elections in Turkey. The second section (Electoral cycle since 1923) gives a timeline view for the elections, which is visually nice to have in an article. We can change the second section to a Template like "Template:Turkish elections timeline", and include this template in the Elections in Turkey article with initially collapsed state. Joseph (talk) 20:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above, but Elections in Turkey#Schedule seems like a better target because it's more specific. I would not be opposed to merging any content that can be sourced. McYeee (talk) 22:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to the similar article Electoral system of Turkey. Chidgk1, maybe you should read, WP:NEXIST because i feel you confuse unsourcing articles with the no existence of sources. LefterDalaka (talk) 19:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Harry Pitts

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Fails WP:VICTIM. (Harry Pitts (footballer) should be moved here.) Maybe he could be merged to History of the London Underground? Clarityfiend (talk) 10:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to either History of the London Underground or Barbican tube station per nom. मल्ल (talk) 22:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The first bomb murder on the London Underground would seem to be notable. Could be renamed to Aldersgate station bomb attack. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:15, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge the relevant information back into Barbican tube station and/or History of the London Underground. If someone believes an article could be made on the bombing, then make that article. But that is not the article we are discussing. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Timeline of Kilgore, Texas

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Poorly conceived "timeline" article for a small city (pop. 13K) with no significant events being listed to justify the need for a "timeline". This is the type of thing we can spin out for communities where there's actual substance for the list to contain, but it isn't a thing that every town or city in the world automatically gets as a matter of course -- but apart from "Establishment of Kilgore College", referenced to Kilgore College's own self-published website about itself rather than a WP:GNG-worthy news article, this otherwise consists exclusively of random population updates with no other significant or properly sourced events listed.
The creator of this has also tried to arbitrarily create a full-on Kilgore-specific WikiProject without going through the proper processes for that (or justifying why a small city with a population of just 13,000 people would need its own full-on WikiProject in the first place), which isn't a deletion rationale in and of itself but does suggest that they need some education in how Wikipedia actually works.
No prejudice against recreation in the future if and when there's substantive content to list, but we would need to see a lot more than just community population estimates. Bearcat (talk) 12:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Stockport, Indiana

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Indications are that this was a railroad station and not a settlement. Mangoe (talk) 11:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This one probably merits retention since it seems to have been a small but real town in years past, as noted in county maps and plat books from 1903,1904,1908, 1938, etc. There’s also a fair amount of newspaper coverage from the early 20th century, like this interesting tidbit from the Muncie Evening Press on 26 October 1900:
"Stockport, a little town six miles northwest of Muncie, which since yesterday has been located on the C., I. & E. road, has other claims to distinction that that being a railroad town. It is the home of William McKinley, cousin to the president, who bears the same name..."
The town seems to have had at least a Baptist church, a school, a general store (robbed repeatedly [5][6]), and a railway station[7], with other articles noting things like unrest over a local killing[8] and other lesser events. Whenever time permits I'd be happy to incorporate some of these pieces into the article. ╠╣uw [talk] 15:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ilias El Ghamarti

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Having done some research, it doesn't look like this person has had a notable football career. Claims like he has played for Kidderminster Harriers could not be verified; he played for a team that competed in the Dutch first level, but it was already March 2019 at that stage, by which time the club was in the fourth tier. On top of this, there is a real lack of significant coverage. C 679 11:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kei Okawa

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Playing 14 football matches in Singapore is a weak claim to notability. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 11:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete lacks independent, reliable sources showing notability or significant achievements, and the content mainly focuses on basic personal information without broader impact--Jiaoriballisse (talk) 11:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alaska Gold Rush (disambiguation)

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Not a valid dab page. None of the other entries (two other gold rushes in Alaska and a TV series titled Gold Rush: Alaska) qualifies. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Greg Pitts

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Another WP:NACTOR fail. Lacking in significant, high-profile roles. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm in favor of keeping the article. Google seems to think he's noteworthy enough that you can toggle between "overview," "Movies" and "TV shows" when you search his name. Iowamutt (talk) 01:39, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hits aren't enough. See WP:LOTSOFGHITS. Find some substantial sources. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:57, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. Squires, Chase (2006-03-28). "As an actor, Sarasota native Greg Pitts' claim to fame is a bit part in the cult film Office Space. But that could change if ABC's Sons & Daughters becomes a hit. Oh, that face" (pages 1 and 2). Tampa Bay Times. Archived from the original (pages 1 and 2) on 2024-10-26. Retrieved 2024-10-26 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "The name Greg Pitts might not mean much to most people. The 1992 University of South Florida grad hasn't reached the household-name level of stardom. But plenty of people know his face. A bit part in a quirky cult movie seven years ago cemented Pitts in pop culture as one of Hollywood's memorable louts. ... His next big chance—as a different kind of lout—is playing out now on television in ABC's offbeat comedy Sons & Daughters. Pitts, a 36-year-old Sarasota County native, plays Whitey, a dumb lug with a soft spot for his son. ... Pitts didn't set out to become an actor. He found the stage during his senior year in high school, but he went to USF as a business major. He made the decision to go pro during an accounting class, and after graduating in 1992 he joined a traveling comedy troupe, hoping for a break."
2. Salman, Josh (2014-02-24). "Actor, famous for "Office Space" scene, takes on real estate in Sarasota County". Sarasota Herald-Tribune. Archived from the original on 2024-07-13. Retrieved 2024-10-26.
  The article notes: "Greg Pitts is trying to make a new name for himself in Southwest Florida real estate. The actor — famous for an unforgettable scene in the cult comedy “Office Space” — recently moved back to his hometown of Venice to follow in the footsteps of his family and begin a second career as a Realtor. ... Pitts was born at Sarasota Memorial Hospital in 1970 — growing up in the Sorrento Shores community that his grandfather developed. His father runs a real estate business — which his brother later joined — in Osprey."
3. Cox, Billy (2006-11-13). "It's what fits, with Pitts. Venice High School grad, working Hollywood actor Gret Pitts makes his 'Oh face' as he awaits release of 'Idiocracy'". Sarasota Herald-Tribune. Archived from the original on 2024-10-26. Retrieved 2024-10-26.
  The article notes: "A member of the Venice High School Class of 1988 and a University of South Florida graduate, Greg Pitts has a minor "Idiocracy" role as a cameraman near the end of the film. "Office Space" aficionados will remember him for the "Oh face" lines he delivered with frat-house relish in Judge's wry take on corporate hell ... The USF drama major left for Tinseltown shortly after the Northridge earthquake fractured Southern California in 1994. Without so much as a let's-do-lunch contact in his wallet, Pitts found himself paying rent in a skanky Hollywood Boulevard neighborhood stalked by dopers, hookers and kung-fu brigades of Guardian Angels prowling for trouble with their red berets. In 2002, as his persistence began paying off with commercial work, Pitts created a Web site to post career updates for family and friends. The result is a sojourn of elation and despair, with pit stops at Verizon commercials and Allstate ads, and guest spots on "CSI" and "Grey's Anatomy" (Jerry O'Malley, George's brother). ... Pitts credits his parents, Lauden and Carolyn Pitts of Nokomis, for bolstering his fragile spirits during the lean, strange years. Dad actually encouraged him to move to Hollywood."
4. Deggans, Eric (2000-10-31). "The long road to "Normal, Ohio'". Tampa Bay Times. Archived from the original on 2024-10-26. Retrieved 2024-10-26.
  The article notes: "Pitts, who holds a 1992 theater degree from the University of South Florida, is the only actor besides Goodman to appear in both versions of the show and applauds the revamp."
5. Handelman, Jay (1998-03-24). "'Damon' Gives Actor His Break". Sarasota Herald-Tribune. Archived from the original on 2024-10-26. Retrieved 2024-10-26.
  The article notes: " Greg Pitts was sitting in an accounting class one day at the University of South Florida when he had one of those life-changing moments. ... After graduating from USF, Pitts moved to California where he studied with the Groundlings, the famed improvisational comedy troupe whose alumni include Paul Reubens (Pee-wee Herman). ... So Pitts started working a variety of jobs - House of Blues, production assistant, Blockbuster video - that gave him time to take classes and audition and also provided fodder for great stories."
6. Bolduc, Douglas A. (1998-03-21). "VHS grad makes sitcom debut Sunday". Venice Gondolier Sun. Archived from the original on 2024-10-26. Retrieved 2024-10-26.
  The article notes: "Greg Pitts makes his television sitcom debut Sunday. The Venice High School graduate will share the small screen with television and movie stars Damon Wayans and David Alan Grier when the Fox Network premieres "Damon" at 8: 30 p.m. on WTVT Channel 13. ... Pitts earned his VHA diploma in 1988. He took acting classes as a senior, but the former class clown said he could never work up the courage to audition for a VHS production."
7. Ridge, Kari K. (1998-03-20). "USF grad channels energies toward TV role. Greg Pitts, a former class clown once stymied by stage fright, now appears in DAMON, a Fox sitcom that premieres Sunday". Tampa Bay Times. Archived from the original on 2024-10-26. Retrieved 2024-10-26 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "Pitts, 28, grew up in the Osprey community of Sarasota, where the self-proclaimed class clown was always too scared to act in school plays. ... After graduating from Sarasota High School, he set out to earn a business degree from the University of South Florida. But he realized during his freshman year that business was not his life's ambition. ... Pitts took a role in a USF summer theater class performance of An Italian Straw Hat. ... After earning a theater degree in 1992, he acted in ..."
8. Huskey, Judy (2006-02-05). "Venice High earns an 'A' for literacy celebration". Sarasota Herald-Tribune. Archived from the original on 2024-10-26. Retrieved 2024-10-26.
  The article notes: "Greg Pitts, son of Lauden and Carolyn Pitts of Nokomis, and a graduate of Venice High School and the University of South Florida's theatre program, will be in this enviable space today when promos runs for his new sitcom on ABC called "Sons and Daughters.""
9. Westfahl, Gary (2015). A Day in a Working Life: 300 Trades and Professions through History. Santa Barbara, California: ABC-Clio. ISBN 978-1-61069-402-5. Retrieved 2024-10-26 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "If asked which is the most desirable profession-being a film actor, or being a real estate agent—almost everyone would opt for the glamorous Hollywood profession. Yet Greg Pitts (1970–) would beg to differ. After a career that included a memorable cameo in the film Office Space (1999) and a 2005 recurring role in the series Grey's Anatomy, Pitts decided to return to his home state of Florida and work alongside his brother and father as a real estate agent. With his acting experience, he should prove especially effective in persuading clients to purchase homes."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Greg Pitts to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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Turkish tango music

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I found some sources such as https://www.idildergisi.com/ozet.php?dili=2&ref=1619560991&did=241 but am not sure notable enough Chidgk1 (talk) 10:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep 'Turkish Tango in its 100th Year' in Istanbul: Melodic fusion of mastery, movement https://istanbultarihi.ist/770-the-tango-in-istanbul, https://www.ceeol.com/search/article-detail?id=966030 . Please, search for sources before nominating an article. LefterDalaka (talk) 19:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Propel (company)

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limited notability, as it primarily covers product details and lacks significant independent sources establishing its importance beyond being a Gatorade product line. Additionally, the content largely overlaps with Gatorade's main article, offering minimal unique information that justifies a standalone entry. Moarnighar (talk) 11:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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...The article is not great, but the nomination would appear to be a SK3 (in a downright bizarre way besides). Moarnighar, what in the world did you mean with the Gatorade comments? Did you mean to nominate a different article? Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you writing your nomination rationales with a LLM? Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Wanamaker, Kempton and Southern 65

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Lacks notability. This internally contradictory or confusing article (e.g. was it donated in 1970, acquired in 1972, or donated in 1972?) has mainly passing mentions, with the only somewhat substantial source a photography book "Classic Locomotives: Steam and Deisel[SIC] Power in 700 Photographs". The actual source for the article is this unreliable site [9] with some text taken literally from it. An editor tried to redirect this page to Wanamaker, Kempton and Southern Railroad#Motive power, which may be a good WP:ATD but needs to be decided here since it has been reversed. Fram (talk) 10:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Wanamaker, Kempton and Southern Railroad#Motive power: I agree with this nomination. From the publicly available sources it is clear that the subject is only mentioned in passing. Given Fram's description of what is contained in the Classic Locomotives book it leaves no doubt to me. The article should redicted as an WP:ATD. TarnishedPath^talk 11:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Generally we have regarded preserved steam locos either in operational condition or with long operational careers in preservation (they do inevitably come and go as boiler tickets expire) to be notable. I see no reason to act otherwise in this case. Sourcing here is adequate, there are no "extraordinary claims" requiring extraordinary sources.

This Afd doesn't just seem to be an WP:IDONTLIKEIT, it's an WP:IDONTLIKEWHOCREATEDIT, see User talk:Trainsandotherthings#Wanamaker, Kempton and Southern 65. That comes down to Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1143#Australian_railroad_IP, a ban on an unpopular IP editor. This article was not created by an IP. If the nominator or their supporters' allegation is that Insomniac187 (talk · contribs) is a banned sock, then I believe we have an SPI process for dealing with that. The correct response is to investigate that SPI first, not this 'round up the usual suspects' approach. We certainly don't blank existing articles without even discussing that through the article talk:, or by notifying involved editors.

Sourcing here mostly rests on a book by Brian Solomon (we should perhaps have an article on Brian Solomon) who is a very well known railway author and certainly WP:RS. I do not have that particular book, nor has the nominator. The other source is a good but very PRIMARY photo collection on the personal website of one of the long-term drivers of the railroad involved. This is far from a 'passing mention'. Yes, it's PRIMARY. But nor are we making the "extraordinary claims" here mentioned above. For the existence and basic history of a loco on a modern tourist railway, this is adequate sourcing. If US makers like H.K. Porter are anything like the UK makers, there are also plenty of erudite texts that would cover the design of this class and the building records of this batch of locos. If this were a Bagnall or a Stephenson loco, or a small industrial saddle tank here in South Wales, my own bookshelves would source that in moments – but if I can't do that for the US, surely there are other editors who can? Andy Dingley (talk) 13:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Dingley, please check again who started this AfD. I have nothing at all to do with your aspersions about IPs, socks, dislike of the creator, ... Once that is done, I will address your other misconceptions or misleading statements. Fram (talk) 14:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on the article and the AfD, not personalising this into attacks on anyone who disagrees with it. Nor have I even mentioned you. Not everything on WP is about you. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Please comment on the article and the AfD, not personalising this into attacks on anyone who disagrees with it." after your previous post about the nom and the nature of this AfD? Oh well, that goes with your claim about "the other source" being "far from a passing mention". That sources wasn't in the article so wasn't included in my comment about passing mentions; as you well know, as I brought this very source to your attention in the AfD nom, and you then added it to the article. It is a source by a WK&S volunteer, so has no influence on the notability question beneath this AfD. The question is not about verifiability, not about "extraordinary claims", but about WP:NOTABILITY. The Solomon book, where you so impersonally stated "I do not have that particular book, nor has the nominator"; er, it is available right here, at least for me I can access the text about the WK&S 65 without any problems. Fram (talk) 14:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you are in the US. I am not. Google Books for me does not let me read the relevant pages of that book, I cannot know how much of it you can see. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect unless an editor can provide references to actual genuine independent reliable sources that devote significant coverage to this particular locomotive. Speculating about the existence of plenty of erudite texts is of no value to this discussion, and even if such hypothetical texts existed and covered the design of this class and the building records of this batch of locos, they would be of no value in establishing the notability of this specific locomotive as opposed to a class of locomotives. Cullen328 (talk) 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From Me to You (Crunchy Black album)

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Per the first discussion, no evidence that this album is notable, and since the artist's page is just a redirect to the far more notable group he is a part of, this doesn't even serve a purpose as a redirect. No chart positions, no certifications, only one review that really goes in-depth about the album (the AllMusic writeup is more of an overview of the release, while the XXL piece is an interview so not independent), no evidence of notability to pass WP:NALBUMS. My attempt to have the page speedy deleted per WP:A9 (see the last discussion) was declined. JeffSpaceman (talk) 10:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - This is tougher than it looks because the album received a couple of pro reviews though they were pretty short. However, the rapper was declared non-notable outside of Three 6 Mafia in this recent AfD, so it's tough to justify an album article. The album's existence could be mentioned briefly at the Three 6 Mafia article, especially because Crunchy Black is still with them, at least intermittently. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mohabbat Reza Reza

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I draftified this article because I felt it didn't meet the GNG. However, the creator EternalSun1 (talk · contribs) moved it back to the main NS to avoid an AFC review, leaving me no choice but to take it to AfD. I believe it fails to meet GNG. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of people who use their middle names as their first names

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Lots of people in all walks of life go by their some form of their middle name. This is not an uncommon or poorly understood phenomenon. The sources by and large may verify that the listed person uses their middle name, but that isn't the focus of the coverage, because it simply is not really unusual or noteworthy to do so. There's simply no depth to this, it feels more like random trivia than something one would find in an encyclopedia. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 22:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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For the record, this is the second AfD for this article. The first was when the article had a different title, and can be found at WP:Articles for deletion/Celebrities who use their middle names as their first names. TompaDompa (talk) 03:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I got a case of banner blindness because I legit did not see that. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 17:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restore former title of article and keep, as the move was never discussed and made the article's title vague and unclear so that one editor could expand the article's purview without consensus. One editor should not be changing the article to their own specifications so that it becomes another vague list article, as Isaidnoway did here. The other suggestion is to restrict it solely to actors and title as such. Nate • (chatter) 18:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The other suggestion is to restrict it solely to actors and title as such. May I ask: why? Why does restricting it in this manner make the list more encyclopedic? Also, it seems like what you are proposing is already an article at List of stage names. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, a mind bogglingly banal list of trivia that doesn't appear to notable enough for its own article, let alone a list of examples. What little encyclopedic information there is to say at the topic can be done at Middle name § Middle name as primary forename, and more or less already is. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This was an (edit conflict) with the above restore/keep, which now that I've read, doesn't sway me in the slightest. Restricting to "celebrities" is probably even more vague, as what constitutes a "celebrity" is generally subjective. It also doesn't make the topic any more notable. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:32, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This passes WP:NLIST because of coverage by the Independent, Deseret News, and (if the article is to be belived) this^[1] book. Some other sources in the references of the article may also be useful in demonstrating notability. McYeee (talk) 21:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Voluntary devil's advocate, but based on the sources shared a similar argument could be made for List of films with interesting titles: The Independent, Deseret News. Would an article built on these two sources pass WP:NLIST in your opinion? Shazback (talk) 20:33, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Assuming for sake of argument that those are the only two relevant sources that exist, such an article should be deleted. I don't think it would would pass WP:GNG because those sources don't actually establish that those films have interesting titles, just that those two publications consider them notable and there are no sources showing notability for List of films with titles considered interesting by news sources. You might be able to convince me that these sources actually do establish that the list is notable, despite not reliably establishing a single entry, but in that case, the list should be deleted for being completely unverifiable. McYeee (talk) 22:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per McYeee's sources. I also found [10] as well as [11] to help out. It's worth noting that this and List of stage names are similar, perhaps I'll add this article in the "See also" section. Conyo14 (talk) 22:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. None of the above sources are good for establishing notability. You can find low-quality listicle churn on practically anything. Finding a couple listicles about something vaguely similar does not grant a license to just compile our own goddamn list of every goddamn person who goes by a goddamn middle name. This is bottom-of-the-barrel garbage, even by Wikipedia list standards, which is already pretty abyssal. Just once, can't common sense (and WP:NOT) win out here? Just once, can we not parade about a couple stupid listicles and go "omg NLIST NLIST, haha keep"? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a very poor faith comment that I suggest you either scrap or rewrite. Conyo14 (talk) 04:51, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You might not like my tone, which belies my frustration, but my faith is pure. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 08:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your argument is WP:POINT. – The Grid (talk) 13:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Article should be reframed and possibly renamed if kept. Seems like the whole discussion is taking for granted that the use of one's middle name only seems novel if you are American or British *and* believe that using one's first given name is "conventional" or "preferred". The introductory section seems forced and a bit "off". Cielquiparle (talk) 22:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, my nomination is based on the idea that this isn't novel or uncommon at all. I imagine pretty much everyone knows at least one person who goes by a name other than their full given first name. This is about as encyclopedic and useful as a list of people who are named Robert or Theodore or Andrew but go by Bob, Ted, or Andy. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:05, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If those topics are as notable as this one, I would expect there to exist reliable sources listing such people. Are you aware of any? If notability isn't your reason for claiming the list is not encyclopedic, what is? I think that, per WP:USEFUL, uselessness is an argument to avoid in AfDs. McYeee (talk) 02:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at the sources that you linked above, they are not WP:SIGCOV, they are basically "this is a thing that exists, here is a list of people who have done it" in other words, no better than the article itself. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 17:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What would be an example of WP:SIGCOV for the purposes of WP:NLIST? How should I square your view here with WP:NLIST which says that "[o]ne accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources"? McYeee (talk) 22:16, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's the discussion part that is lacking. Those articles are a paragraph or two of reporting, then are just lists like out article. There's no depth to the coverage. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Symons, Mitchell (2007). "Famous People Who Use Their Middle Names As First Names". This, That And The Other. Transworld Publishers. p. 183. ISBN 978-0-552-15647-9. Archived from the original on June 22, 2024. Retrieved June 22, 2024.

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Leaning keep, as this does appear to be an anthroponymically significant phenomenon. BD2412 T 00:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete, WP:SALAT suggests A list should be defined so that a reasonable number of readers seek it out. By that criteria, I am not certain anyone would seek such a list out. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as a list with no point, and no sustainable future. As the blurb at the beginning of the list points out, in some cultures it is absolutely normal for the middle name to be used, not the first, so this list would have to include everyone born into one of those cultures. Meanwhile a prodigious number of people choose to use their middle name, so the list is doomed to grow to unmanageable proportions. We already deal with this by listing notable people by the name to which they are referred in sources (which is generally the name they've chosen to use). In the rare cases where a reader might go looking for someone by the "wrong" name, we can have redirects. There is no navigational value in having a list of notable people (or celebrities) who use their middle name. There is no cultural or educational value in the table. And as a side issue, since the table currently includes a column "full name/birth name" we have the issue that if someone has changed gender, we run the risk of either implying their birth-name is something that it wasn't, or dead-naming them, which we've agreed not to do, so by policy this column must either be renamed or removed. And on top of that, the list in its current form is somehow stuck between being more than it should be for a navigational list, and unconvincingly referenced as a stand-alone list (in that although it has copious references for the actual names, it has nothing much to justify that using a middle name is an encyclopedic topic). Elemimele (talk) 11:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete First, the actual title should be people who go by their middle names. But second, as the length of the list shows, this is a meaninglessly common phenomenon, particularly among celebrities, who may have more reasons than the rest of us do to avoid going by their actual first names in public. Mangoe (talk) 12:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - indiscriminate information WP:NOTEVERYTHING JMWt (talk) 13:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It is very common and quite unremarkable for someone to go by their middle name. None of these people are connected to each other in any way; this is not of navigational use for a meaningful characteristic. In some cases they've gone by the legal middle name since a child, in other cases they changed their names when they got famous (a short skim of bio pages didn't have any that found it worth explaining). I just don't see the significance here. Middle name is welcome to have more discussion with contextual examples if there are sources that cover this concept, but such a lengthy list isn't needed. Reywas92^Talk 13:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: This list meets WP:LISTPEOPLE since it appears to be a list of notable people who use their middle names. I think the original name should be restored to reflect this. I also think the list should be categorised so that at a glance readers can see Heads of State who use their middle name, Actors who use their middle names, Sportspeople who use their middle names, and so on. DesiMoore (talk) 15:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PARCO Coastal Refinery

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Another proposed dead project which never really took off. Three sources are from the same newspaper. I think it would have been noticeable if it was under construction or complete. Wikibear47 (talk) 08:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I agree with the previous comment. It's a dead project that hasn't worked out after all these years.--ג'ימיהחיה (talk) 12:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karak Oil Refinery

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Construction never really started. Based on couple of news reports. Looks like a case of TOOSOON. Article is also GNG tagged. Wikibear47 (talk) 08:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bobo Ajudua

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Closed as delete in AFD just June 2023, the article found its way back again. But nothing has changed. The current sources are 95 percent press statement or covertly sponsored articles announcing new business deals Ednabrenze (talk) 09:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sources still don't impress me, I'm not seeing much beyond business deals done and the like. I also don't find much more in RS since the last time we looked at this about a year ago. Not meeting notability requirements. Oaktree b (talk) 14:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kole Akintujoye

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I don't think this person meets GNG. They claim to have received a global recognition award but that award doesn't appear to be notable either. Most of the sources seem to be blogs and interviews Gbawden (talk) 08:47, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Christiani Pitts

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Fails WP:NACTOR with sparse credits, none major. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Valley Flyer (bus company)

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This article is pertaining to a former trading name of Cityline New Zealand Ltd, a subsidiary of NZ Bus. An article for Cityline New Zealand Ltd also does not exist. A trading name for some non-notable subsidiary bus company which doesn't even has its own article fails WP:N. Additionally, this article only cites two sources which don't even appear to refer to the company as specifically "Valley Flyer" once, thereby also failing WP:RS. OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 07:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Duki coal mine attack

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Fails WP:NEVENT. Should be merged into Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024 like other similar incidents. Wikibear47 (talk) 07:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024: Into existing article. 181.197.42.215 (talk) 09:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC) Striking sock !vote. Daniel (talk) 22:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: I would say do not RUSHDELETE. Since this happened just a few days ago and we still need to determine if it meets or fails the NEVENT, I would suggest Draftify it for now. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak merge. Not a lot here that can’t be contained in the list article easily. If it does prove notable through depth and length of coverage - which, there are some indications this might, it can always be re-split out. I oppose draftifying because there’s no problems solved there not solved by a merger. Pakistan specifically only very rarely has long term coverage of events that would receive retrospective coverage in many other countries. But this one seems quite severe so it could change. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

merge to the Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024 article since that suggestion was sockstriked PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change vote to redirect. Even if there's nothing to merge I find maintaining the link as a redirect makes it clearer to future readers that there was once a page there. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as already in Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024.--Gul Butt (talk) 20:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the terrorist attack is notable enough with significant no. of deaths and easily passes WP:GNG. Mister Banker (talk) 09:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as 21 deaths is a not insignificant number, and its too soon to declare WP:NOTNEWS or WP:NEVENT Jebiguess (talk) 06:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Gul Butt, a merge is unnecessary in this case. This is a WP:News article and lacks sustained, significant, secondary coverage. Notability is not inherited by casualty count. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024. I think WP:NOTNEWS comes into play here. Although the event was significant, it remains a news story, and it's hard to tell what impact it will have later on (WP:CRYSTALBALL). By merging it, users will be able to find the event if needed, but I don't think a standalone article is merited at this time. DesiMoore (talk) 15:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the attack passes WP:NCRIME in which foreign nationals were killed and received a WP:DIVERSE coverage. --Ameen Akbar (talk) 20:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Significant damage happened here and the sourcing is also not weak. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 19:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge: to the list of "Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024"; this can always be broken out again into a new article if it turns out this is a substantially notable event. It doesn't seem to be at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 14:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Parkour Civilization

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This article is about an insignificant passing internet meme that, like many others, fails the general notability guidelines. Every source in use here is from a tabloid, borderline unreliable source (save for Rolling Stone) that talks about a brief internet trend rather the series itself. To go into specifics, Daily Dot and Dexerto are tabloids that should be used with caution and cannot demonstrate notability per WP:RSP, IMBD is user-generated content and is unreliable as a result per WP:IMBD, and Times Now is an undiscussed source, but due to WP:NEWSORGINDIA it doesn't look good. And even if these sources were reliable, they are mostly just showcasing social media posts and don't actually hold any critical commentary. The show also fails WP:SUSTAINED, since every source was published in a short time frame, and nothing new has been written about the subject since as found by my WP:BEFORE searches. λ NegativeMP1 20:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, per well argued nom. There appears to be a dearth of WP:INDEPTH WP:RELIABLE sources on the topic of the article (and not a tangentially related meme [which also doesn't pass the bar of WP:N]). Only the Rolling Stone article meets all the criteria that are needed to contribute to WP:GNG, and we can't hang an article on one source. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 20:44, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/Draft, as the page creator, I agree that it doesn't reach notability guidelines. Mainly due to WP:SUSTAINED like you mentioned. The page itself has brought myself a overload of anxiety due to the fact I thought for sure it was going to get deleted at some point. The Rolling Stone article is the only thing that actually gives anything insightful on the topic, but Wikipedia needs at least two reliable sources that meet the criteria to be considered notable. I am still new to Wikipedia, so I have no idea what the best outcome would be. The subject itself is only ~60% of the way to being considered notable, though, It could be possible it gains another notable source at some point in the future. (no idea if that'd be bringing it back to draft or just appealing it when the time comes)

Please do what you think is best for Wikipedia, but as for now I'd appreciate if it was sent back to draft space or deleted. ^-^ Kaixvny (talk) 22:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technically speaking, there is no real "criteria" for what makes something notable or not. The notability guidelines only calls for "multiple" reliable sources. So depending on the depth of the sources at hand (multiple pages, academic coverage, etc.), that number could be as low as two, but many people writing about pop-culture topics sourced to news websites generally try and aim for three in-depth sources (though, again, this is not a requirement). But this doesn't really meet that anyways. With that being said, I'm sorry if worrying about if the article would survive or not stressed you out. It's just part of the learning process on Wikipedia that I have faced myself, as have many others. It takes a while to learn and get used to, but in the end it works out. λ NegativeMP1 22:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right! I think i pulled the number two from HELP:AFD in "How to save the article.", I completely agree, and I'm glad this page is finally getting a outcome, it feels much more like breather than anything. As later on during its lifespan, I realized how much I stretched out the sources I had, and the fact it was a ticking time-bomb. Like I said, I still believe it it could eventually reach notability/better coverage in the future but not as of this moment, though could It possibly be shrunken down into a paragraph in List of Internet phenomenas? Honestly, it may still be too un-notable for that but I'm just thinking of other possible outcomes. Kaixvny (talk) 23:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I was about nominate this article myself, but forgot about it. I agree with everything NegativeMP1 said. My search on DDG and Google showed up no other usable source besides a questionable source Dexerto. Ca ^{talk to me!} 06:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftification works too, although I feel like all the coverage are just flash in the pan. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: This article was obviously written by fans of the series, for fans of the series. But I think the article should be drafted rather than deleted, providing a chance for it to be reworked into a more encyclopedic article.—theMainLogan (t•c) 17:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete All I can say, if the only sources are the series itself and IMdB is allowed, then why isn't Battle for Dream Island?. All of these points have been brought up against the series, what's different about that? not to mention on youtube they are of very close subscriber count. Think about that before saying anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyllstru (talk • contribs) 01:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kaixvny, this isn't the place to discuss the inclusion of BFDI or any other article, but instead for Parkour Civilization, which should be done on Policies and Guidelines. I will note that nobody thus far (even the article's author) have advocated keep, so I don't know where you've got the idea that there is some hypocrisy (may I recommended reading WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS) Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 06:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong ping, I am the page creator, replier is @Kyllstru! ^_^ Kaixvny (talk) 09:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies. It's my fault for my over-reliance on the WP:REPLYTOOL's pinging tool, without properly checking Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 11:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails the general notability guidelines and WP:SUSTAINED. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:56, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Please take a look at the source assessment table I have created.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/parkour-civilization-minecraft-movie-cinema-1235124169/		Per WP:ROLLINGSTONE.	There is significant coverage about the video itself, and not just talking about it being viral.	✔ Yes
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-buzz/viral-minecraft-film-parkour-civilization-gets-removed-from-letterboxd-fans-outraged-article-113949603	Even though WP:NEWSORGINDIA urges editors to exercise caution, I don't see any reason to believe this is sponsored. Look at the tone and language of the article, its placement in the publication, use of generic bylines not identifying an individual reporter or reviewer, overlap in language with articles found in other publications and on other websites, and others. These issues do not apply to this article.	WP:NEWSORG per Times Now - no reason to believe a reputable news organization would be unreliable when it comes to reporting on a mostly Western cultural phenomenon.	Despite intermingled with quotes from Twitter, analysis of the plot and its significance is plain significant coverage: hustling culture, societal injustice, and income disparity.	✔ Yes
https://www.dailydot.com/memes/parkour-civilization-meme/		~ I've gone and read the closing comments at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 390#RFC (The Daily Dot). The main arguments against The Daily Dot's reliability has been on clickbait, [fusing] opinion with factual reporting, its political coverage, which do not apply much to this article, and there is the source is probably reliable for mundane reporting on internet culture. On reading the article I do not find too much bias in the reporting, so this is probably reliable.	~ Hard to salvage, but the sentences from the tale of an oppressed individual and The dramatic tone should be addressing the video directly and in detail as required in WP:SIGCOV.	~ Partial
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Overall I believe these sources are enough in establishing notability per WP:GNG, and verifiable enough we can write an article on it. WP:NSUSTAINED appears to primarily talk about people and events, and for articles in other topics in general, no explicit words are given that sustained coverage is a requirement, but consideration should still be applied per context. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 07:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources provide very surface-level commentary on the show. The only third-party fact in the article (that is, not view count, voice actors, release medium, etc) is the fact that it inspired the meme "NO ONE chooses to jump for the beef". Any further coverage seems unlikely since the meme has already in its deathbed, unlike Skibidi Toilet or TADC. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC) edited for typo 11:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which article were you referring to? 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 12:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I was referring to the Wikipedia article. The fact that there is a dearth of third-party content in the article creates WP:NPOV concerns, leading to WP:PAGEDECIDE considerations: Sometimes, when a subject is notable, but it is unlikely that there ever will be a lot to write about it, editors should weigh the advantages and disadvantages of creating a permanent stub. Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see. The article as it currently stands is not a permanent stub and works fine as a standalone article to me. I'm not sure what you mean by third-party content though. The article is about the video series so it would make sense to talk about the video series? It is unclear to me where the NPOV issues are. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 11:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I second Ca's comments. This isn't enough and what there is is basically flash-in-the-plan. And I would definitely say SUSTAINED should be taken into account regardless of it being a "requirement" or not. λ NegativeMP1 03:28, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't told me which sources fail significant coverage and why. The articles I have listed do, in my opinion, [address] the topic directly and in detail. I'm not sure what you mean by taking SUSTAINED into account. I've read sustained multiple times and I am unsure how that can be applied to a deletion discussion. If this passes GNG, then it is presumed notable. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 04:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Except that it doesn't pass GNG. You're basically working with one and a half sources, and I'm personally referring to the Times Now article (not sure what Ca is referring to). What is there is very surface level, and it's still mostly just rehashing social media comments. It's the type of source that would be thrown out in most deletion discussions. And the Daily Dot should be disqualified to establish notability due to its faultiness as a source. If another source or two came out then it'd be fine, but right now it's too soon. And applying SUSTAINED to a deletion discussion is very simple: maybe it's a bad sign for whether or not something is actually notable if all of the coverage that exists for a subject was published in the span of a few days, and then never again. λ NegativeMP1 16:09, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've explained why Daily Dot should not be completely disqualified, and I'd like to hear more reasoning than just affirming its faultiness as a source.

As for Times Now, I'm really not sure what you mean by surface level when the third and fourth paragraph addresses the film directly and in detail. I do agree that the way it is written sounds AI-y and I am less enthusiastic about that.

On the whole, I still believe this passes GNG, even if just on the border line. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 17:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If a source is marked by WP:RSP as there being absolutely no consensus regarding its reliability in general, then I do not think it should be used to establish notability in a case like this and even your own source assessment table marks it as "partial". And if a source sounds machine-generated, why are you arguing for its usage? And both paragraphs you highlight are literally just plot summary as well as a few dashes of what fans think of the series. There is no actual critical commentary from what the article author themselves thinks beyond "this exists".

And to solidify this further, this article was written by an author who has worked with Sportskeeda, which is an unreliable content farm and this article honestly reminds me of something that would come from Sportskeeda based on how its written (which, as you've said, could very well have been done by AI). So again, I will repeat, this weirdly-worded social media post rehashing page does not contribute to the subjects notability. Take into account the actual contents of these sources. λ NegativeMP1 18:37, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No consensus does not mean consensus against. It just means that additional considerations apply. And in this case I don't think the additional considerations pose too much concern on how it can be used to establish notability.

That said, even though I believe this passes GNG, I'm not opposed to a closure with WP:TOOSOON. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 05:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I do agree with 0xDeadbeef's comments. Bunnypranav (talk) 07:47, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above comments from 0xDeadbeef and the demonstrable impact of this beyond the vein of a "passing internet fad" Claire 26 (talk) 06:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you provide evidence of there being a "demonstrable impact" when the sourcing all happened in the same time frame and is weak enough as is? λ NegativeMP1 07:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or draftify: The source assessment table is a fancy way to make a topic look superficially notable, but one of the telltale signs of a GNG fail is the publication dates of all of the key sources being clustered together within the same single burst of news coverage: in this case October 2, 2024; October 4, 2024; and October 5, 2024. As such, this topic fails WP:SUSTAINED at the present moment. Left guide (talk) 08:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom and Left guide, it fails WP:SUSTAINED. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: This article passes WP:GNG (barely, but still). I will use the WP:CRYSTAL argument to dispute WP:SUSTAINED - the nature of this genre is unpredictable so there's no telling what can happen in the near future. It's too soon to say that there's no sustained coverage. I think we should definitely keep the article for now. DesiMoore (talk) 16:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is a complete misunderstanding of what CRYSTAL actually is. How does CRYSTAL apply here at all? What CRYSTAL is is a policy against trying to predict future information or making articles on future events, and it does not argue against SUSTAINED. λ NegativeMP1 16:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would also agree that WP:CRYSTAL does not apply here at all. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs based on a film

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Same issues as with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs that retell a work of literature, but that one at least has references - here we have nothing. Just OR trivia, with most songs here not even seemingly notable (not blue linked). Fails WP:NLIST and WP:V. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment In some of these, I wonder if the directionality is backwards or indeterminate. Purple Rain is from the soundtrack to the film, so which came first? Jclemens (talk) 09:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - This article dates way back 2006, the dark ages of WP when it was fun to create lists of geek trivia. An article of this title may have some encyclopedic value if it had references to serious movie/music histories, but here we just have a bunch of original research and fixing it would be a TNT waste of volunteer resources. I second the previous commenter's point as well, because some songs here are soundtrack entries described incorrectly as being "about" the associated film. From personal knowledge I can also say that several songs here, especially those by metal bands, are actually inspired by books that were themselves adapted into films. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Even if this was a topic that passed the WP:GNG or WP:NLIST, the article is completely unsourced, comprised entirely of WP:OR, and, as pointed out already, is filled with flat out incorrect information. Rorshacma (talk) 15:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EFx Factory

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Poorly sourced article. A redirect was just reversed. A WP:BEFORE search turned up little to nothing. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 07:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Crowne Plaza Foshan Hotel

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Fails WP:ORG. Searching for its name in English no significant third party coverage. I google translated the first few google news hits for its Chinese name and they don't appear to be in-depth. Would reconsider if someone did more thorough Chinese searches. LibStar (talk) 05:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features)#Artificial features, which says:
Buildings, including private residences, transportation facilities and commercial developments, may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability.

Sources
1. Zou, Yimin 邹益民; Zhou, Yaqing 周亚庆 (2006). 饭店战略管理 [Hotel Strategic Management] (in Chinese). Beijing: Tourism Education Press. ISBN 978-7-5637-1339-4. Retrieved 2024-10-26 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "佛山宾馆作为佛山的首家五星级饭店,自1981年成立以来,从一家 70多间客房的小型饭店,发展成400多间客房,年营业额超1.5亿元,并具有一定国内知名度的五星级国际商务型旅游饭店。佛山宾馆国有股权公开推介转让,要求受让方必须是世界饭店业的前30强,引来了国内外数十家投资企业。至2004年12月31日,佛山宾馆65%的国有股权最终转让给国际知名的洲际饭店集团及其战略合作伙伴佛山奥园投资有限公司,出让总价超 4亿元(含承接债务),比原评估价溢价2.3%,而剩余的35%国有股权则转让给佛山宾馆的经营团队及骨干员工。洲际饭店集团入主经营后,佛山宾馆将更名为“佛山皇冠假日饭店”。"
  From Google Translate: "As the first five-star hotel in Foshan, Foshan Hotel has grown from a small hotel with more than 70 rooms to a five-star international business tourist hotel with more than 400 rooms, an annual turnover of more than 150 million yuan, and a certain domestic reputation since its establishment in 1981. The state-owned equity of Foshan Hotel was publicly promoted for transfer, requiring the transferee to be among the top 30 in the world's hotel industry, attracting dozens of domestic and foreign investment companies. As of December 31, 2004, 65% of the state-owned equity of Foshan Hotel was finally transferred to the internationally renowned InterContinental Hotels Group and its strategic partner Foshan Aoyuan Investment Co., Ltd., with a total transfer price of more than 400 million yuan (including debt assumption), a premium of 2.3% over the original appraisal price, and the remaining 35% of the state-owned equity was transferred to the management team and key employees of Foshan Hotel. After InterContinental Hotels Group took over the management, Foshan Hotel will be renamed "Foshan Crowne Plaza Hotel"."
2. "佛山宾馆晋「五星级」" [Foshan Hotel becomes "five-star"]. Wenhui Bao (in Chinese). 2004-02-22.
  The article notes: "佛山宾馆正式荣膺为佛山市首家「五星级旅游饭店」。21日下午，由国家旅游局总局颁发的「五星级旅游饭店」牌匾正式挂上佛山宾馆的正门。佛山宾馆的前身是政府招待所，始建于1981年，1989年名列国家旅游局首批授予的「三星级旅游涉外饭店」；1996年成为佛山市区首家「四星级旅游涉外饭店」，如今迈入「五星级旅游饭店」行列。"
  From Google Translate: "Foshan Hotel was officially awarded as the first "Five-Star Tourist Hotel" in Foshan City. On the afternoon of the 21st, the "Five-Star Tourist Hotel" plaque issued by the National Tourism Administration was officially hung on the main entrance of Foshan Hotel. Foshan Hotel was formerly a government guesthouse. It was built in 1981 and was listed in the first batch of "Three-Star Tourist Foreign-Related Hotels" awarded by the National Tourism Administration in 1989. In 1996, it became the first "Four-Star Tourist Foreign-Related Hotel" in Foshan City. Now it has entered the ranks of "Five-Star Tourist Hotels"."
  The rest of the article talks about a recent renovation and technology improvements the hotel made with Internet access and uninterruptible power supplies.
3. Luo, Zhi-wei 罗志伟 (2003-12-12). "佛山宾馆做足功课迎宾客确保《佛山千人宴》顺利进行" [Foshan Hotel has done its homework to welcome guests and ensure the smooth progress of "Foshan Banquet for Thousands of People"]. Wenhui Bao (in Chinese).
  The article notes: "记者走进电梯间，一眼就看到了中国工艺美术大师梅文鼎的原作「年年有余」；而在中庭展示区的左边，分别摆放着同样是中国工艺美术大师的庄稼、廖洪标的两件作品。此外，中国陶艺大师刘炳和刘泽棉的作品「陆羽品茶」和「布袋罗汉」还高雅地摆挂在中庭的右边。据透露，为了让来访和入住的宾客们欣赏和感染到具有佛山本地特色的传统工艺佳作，渲染宾馆上五星所需的艺术氛围和典雅，宾馆近期采购了这些作品回来。"
  From Google Translate: "The reporter walked into the elevator and saw the original work "Year after Year" by Chinese arts and crafts master Mei Wending at a glance; and on the left side of the atrium display area, there were two works by Zhuang Jiao and Liao Hongbiao, who are also Chinese arts and crafts masters. In addition, the works "Lu Yu Tasting Tea" and "Budai Luohan" by Chinese ceramic masters Liu Bing and Liu Zemian are also elegantly hung on the right side of the atrium. It is revealed that in order to let the visiting and staying guests appreciate and be infected by the traditional craft masterpieces with Foshan local characteristics, and to render the artistic atmosphere and elegance required for the hotel to be rated five stars, the hotel recently purchased these works."
4. Hu, Feng 胡丰 (2005-01-01). "佛山宾馆转让国有股权" [Foshan Hotel transfers state-owned equity]. Nanfang Daily (in Chinese).
  The article notes: "本报讯昨日，佛山市国资委授权佛山市公盈投资控股有限公司引入国际知名企业洲际酒店集团，并就转让佛山宾馆65%的国有股权签署了协议。至此，佛山已把华侨大厦、金城大酒店及禅城酒店国有产权(资产)全部转让给新的投资者。"
  From Google Translate: "This newspaper reported that yesterday, Foshan State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission authorized Foshan Gongying Investment Holding Co., Ltd. to introduce the internationally renowned company InterContinental Hotels Group and signed an agreement to transfer 65% of the state-owned equity of Foshan Hotel. So far, Foshan has transferred all the state-owned property rights (assets) of Overseas Chinese Building, Jincheng Hotel and Chancheng Hotel to new investors."
5. "卫生监督员入厨监管洗菜佛山宾馆将为各国部长度身定做个性化菜式" [Health supervisors enter the kitchen to supervise the washing of vegetables. Foshan Hotel will tailor-make personalised dishes for ministers from various countries.]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). 2005-11-01.
  The article notes: "本报讯前来参加论坛的亚洲各国文化部长将全部入住佛山市唯一一家五星级酒店佛山宾馆。该次接待为佛山宾馆有史以来规模和影响最大的一次，宾馆上下严阵以待，从饮食到保安层层把关，亚艺期间不接待其他宾客。"
  From Google Translate: "This newspaper reports that the ministers of culture from various Asian countries who come to attend the forum will all stay at Foshan Hotel, the only five-star hotel in Foshan. This reception is the largest in scale and influence in the history of Foshan Hotel. The hotel is on high alert, with strict checks from food to security. No other guests will be received during the Asian Art Festival."
  The article notes: "据悉，佛山宾馆第13、14楼全部重新装修，改建为一房一厅的套房23间。部长论坛期间，佛山宾馆将全部闭馆，除了少数长住熟客外，概不接待其他客人。"
  From Google Translate: "It is reported that the 13th and 14th floors of Foshan Hotel have been completely renovated and converted into 23 one-bedroom and one-living room suites. During the Ministerial Forum, Foshan Hotel will be completely closed and will not receive other guests except for a few long-term regular customers."
6. Huang, Jing 黄静实; Tang, Qi 汤䔖 (2004-09-23). "佛山拟转让四大国有酒店包括今年新晋五星的佛山宾馆，将协议转让控股权，不进行公开拍卖" [Foshan plans to transfer four state-owned hotels, including the newly upgraded five-star Foshan Hotel this year. The controlling stake will be transferred by agreement and no public auction will be held.]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese).
  The article notes: "本报讯(记者黄静实习生汤䔖)记者昨日从佛山市国资委获悉，经佛山市政府批准，佛山拟转让四大星级酒店的国有股权(资产)，它们分别是：佛山宾馆(五星)、金城大酒店(四星)、华侨大厦(四星)、禅城酒店(三星)。"
  From Google Translate: "This reporter (reporter Huang Jing, intern Tang Qi) learned from Foshan State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission yesterday that Foshan plans to transfer the state-owned equity (assets) of four star-rated hotels with the approval of Foshan Municipal Government. They are: Foshan Hotel (five-star), Jincheng Hotel (four-star), Overseas Chinese Building (four-star), Chancheng Hotel (three-star)."
7. Tang, Keqin 汤克琴; Zhang, Qianjing 张倩菁 (2008-12-11). "佛宾挂牌"皇冠假日"业主未变洲际酒店集团只输出管理，楼外建筑仍保留"佛山宾馆"标识" [Foshan Hotel is renamed as "Crown Holiday Hotel" but the owner remains unchanged. InterContinental Hotels Group only exports management, and the building outside the building still retains the "Foshan Hotel" logo]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese).
  The article notes: "去年底更名为“佛山皇冠假日酒店”的佛山宾馆经过一年筹备，昨日正式挂上此名。而“佛山宾馆”的字样将继续保留，管理方洲际酒店集团只是输出管理，不持有股权。已有27年历史的佛山宾馆为佛山首家五星级大酒店，2004年底转制，在国有股权转让的过程中，佛山市奥园置业投资有限公司、佛山市佛宾酒店管理有限公司分别受让佛山宾馆65%和35%的国有股权。... 2007年12月22日，洲际酒店集团进驻佛山宾馆，佛宾成为中国第79家由该集团管理的酒店。"
  From Google Translate: "Foshan Hotel, which was renamed "Foshan Crown Holiday Hotel" at the end of last year, was officially named yesterday after a year of preparation. The words "Foshan Hotel" will continue to be retained, and the management party InterContinental Hotels Group only exports management and does not hold equity. The 27-year-old Foshan Hotel is the first five-star hotel in Foshan. It was restructured at the end of 2004. During the transfer of state-owned equity, Foshan Aoyuan Real Estate Investment Co., Ltd. and Foshan Foshan Hotel Management Co., Ltd. respectively acquired 65% and 35% of the state-owned equity of Foshan Hotel. ... On 22 December 2007, InterContinental Hotels Group entered Foshan Hotel, and Fobin became the 79th hotel managed by the group in China."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Crowne Plaza Foshan Hotel (Chinese: 佛山皇冠假日酒店), previously known as Foshan Hotel (simplified Chinese: 佛山宾馆; traditional Chinese: 佛山賓館), to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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A decade after the last AfD and the company doesn't seem any more notable under WP:NCORP than it did then. Brandon (talk) 06:01, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. Previously at AFD so Soft Deletion is not an option.
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Delete: An article about a company, originally created by an account blocked as a sockpuppet. The 2015 AfD attracted minimal attention. Since then, the company has been split. Taking this article's topic to be the "SAP add-ons, consulting and reselling" residue, searches find this publicity piece regarding their InsightLoop pivot to AI (using the same words added to the article by an IP), but I am not seeing the coverage needed to demonstrate attained notability. AllyD (talk) 06:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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120 Bahadur

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Film is scheduled to be released a year from now and just started filming. Majority of sources are announcements or press releases. CNMall41 (talk) 02:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep my vote is for keep, kindly understand that there are many Hollywood and Bollywood movies that are upcoming in 2025 some are more than a year away yet many already have established wiki pages on them such The Accountant 2, F1, Now You See Me 3, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jolly LLB 3, and more the list is endless. The information current available on the film 120 Bahadur is good enough to create a wiki page and as time progress and more info is available the wiki page will definitely grow with time. Moreover it is a film about a historically significant event. So the wiki page deserve a place with other films that are up for release in 2025. Bonadart (talk) 05:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your argument seems to fall under WP:OSE which is not something that can be used to support notability. Can you point out which references are specifically significant coverage that would count towards notability? The ones I see do not but will look at any you provide in case there is something I missed. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i am in no mood to argue, my contention is if The Accountant 2, Now You See Me 3, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jolly LLB 3 which are pure fiction can have well established wiki page, then 120 Bahadur which is based on real life and a immensely historical and significant event if you may think of, also deserves a place, and if you want to talk of capturing space in that case i think this page doesnt even grab a space more than tip of safety pin out of whole wiki sphere. Bonadart (talk) 04:54, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"I am in no mood to argue" - This is a discussion, not an argument. It does sound like maybe you should back away if you are not in the mindspace to discuss. I will reiterate that everything you stated, including in the reply above, would fall under WP:OSE.--CNMall41 (talk) 04:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could be draftified, or redirected, but please don't delete.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the history it previously was. Creator objected to the draft and moved it back to mainspace. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see from page history that the page was moved to draft but it was moved back to mainspace but I am giving benefit of doubt that Bonadart will accept the consensus by the closer, if it ends with draftify and not move it back to mainspace till the film gets significant coverage likely after post-production. RangersRus (talk) 23:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify. WP:TOOSOON. Sources are announcements and unveiling of the look and is in pre-production with cast and crew not confirmed yet. No significant coverage. RangersRus (talk) 13:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TOOSOON - then what will say or opine about The Accountant 2, F1, Now You See Me 3, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jolly LLB 3, and more; all these films are 6 months to 1 year away yet they have established wiki pages. most of the crew of the film 120 bahadur are already on board as for cast the film is centered around Shaitan Singh Bhati who is played by Farhan Akhtar which is decided, as for others the cast hasnt been declared but may be revealed pretty soon, as for shooting it has already started as declared. So in all sense and purpose much of the info in wiki page is valid, and so deserves to be in live space. Bonadart (talk) 16:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You should not bring other pages to discussion on this AFD. Draftify is because the film is too early with no significant coverage and has not made it to post-production. RangersRus (talk) 22:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Even this article is covered by the press release, like most articles that are edited by the creator of this article. There is a risk that it may be a COI (I will investigate the case and come back with details).--Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 21:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I think it is futile to Draftify this article if the content creator is going to immediately move it back to main space so I'd like to see some assurances from them about this. A Redirect was also mentioned but it's not clear what the target article would be.
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thanks for keeping the discussion alive

my 3 points

1. with all due respect ' if the content creator is going to immediately move it back to main space ' is bit harsh, please understand it takes time and effort to create a page, lot more to develop it. i have no issue if a article is deleted or kept in draft but it should always be done after thorough discussion, once consensus is reached why will any one have any problem, certainly not me.

2. regarding this page as I said earlier, agreed that this film is about a year away but so are movies like The Accountant 2, Now You See Me 3, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jolly LLB 3 but all these films have well established pages already, my point is these films are based on fiction where as this film '120 Bahadur' is based on reality and facts, so it deserves a space.

3. as for sources anyone include better sources if anyone can find.

thanks

Bonadart (talk) 08:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Hey, Liz, maybe Excel Entertainment would be a good redirect target. However, regardless of the delete or redirect I would recommend protecting the title due to what you say about someone who is likely going to just remove it and recreate the article. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I still do not see any consensus but I'm not ready to close this as No Consensus yet.
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Draftify. We can always simply protect the page in mainspace or require that the draft pass AfC. -- asilvering (talk) 05:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think there would be complaints for a "requirement" that an editor make use of AFC unless a) there are COI issues or b) the draft is of an article that was deleted through an AFD. There are a lot of experienced editors who view AFC as completely optional. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify or Redirect to Excel Entertainment#Upcoming Projects. I believe a redirect will make more sense until more information is provided about the film. Plus, no information about the cast is provided in the article. TNM101 (chat) 11:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taoguang Yanghui

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This article should be moved to draft as it still needs much work. At present, it is a rough translation and remains very essay-like. Amigao (talk) 01:07, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the subject is notable and well referenced. It isn’t a rough translation at all, and while I agree it is essay-like, that can easily be remedied in mainspace by any editor who cares to do so. Mccapra (talk) 04:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as no proper deletion rationale has been stated. As @Mccapra says this article is notable and the references are plentiful. Deletion is not cleanup and the article should be given some time to grow (or maybe contract a bit...).
@Amigao you didn't notify the article creator on their talk page. I've gone ahead and done that. Oblivy (talk) 07:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Using AI to Protect NC Healthcare Systems

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An essay, presumably written by a college class. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 03:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG by failing test of WP:NOT. Honestly there should be a CSD category for "ill-conceived class assignment." Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dclemens1971 Or, perhaps more seriously, "blatant essay," which this would fall under.

AtSymbolEveryone: Rest assured, the university and WikiEdu staff surrounding this article have been notified about this AfD. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 03:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On New Page Review, I have seen a reasonable number of essays masquerading as articles produced for a class assignment. They've often gone unreviewed long enough that they can be PRODded without objection. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dclemens1971 I don't use PROD for new page patrol, seeing how I've never been able to use it in that context without the creator objecting. It's a good thing, I suppose, that you found a loophole to that. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 05:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Seems like WP:FORUM. Takipoint123 (talk) 03:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Obvious delete but this is a common issue with these college classes and I strongly believe that enrolled students should not be able to move assignments into mainspace without going through WP:AFC. Esolo5002 (talk) 03:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Esolo5002 Unfortunately, AfC might take too long for a college course. I suspect we don't notice most college courses that go through WikiEdu (such as this one) because they do a substantially better job...or, at least, whatever it is they do doesn't require an entire article to be deleted.

Of course, perhaps there should better controls of how college-related userspace drafts get moved into mainspace, nevertheless. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 03:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Going by their talk page, I feel like they might have "forgot" to complete the training modules (or just rushed through them without reading the instructions), since even the usual essay-like stuff we get from WikiEdu are much better (at least, good enough that I'd just tag and release instead of needing high explosives). I don't think actually getting reviewed and mainspaced should necessarily be a requirement for their assignment to be marked (if it is then they should remove it) but I'm not sure these ones would actually read the instructions to keep them in draft.

I understand from the talk page that the WikiEdu team does their own post-publication review process and moves things back to draft when necessary, I think a good first step would be to make that process a pre-publication process as much as possible, and ideally with some form of on-wiki note of the feedback received (this doesn't have to be the full feedback if there's anything they'd like to keep private, but some indication of what they went through would be nice). Carving out WikiEdu submissions from WP:DRAFTNO to allow individual reviewer discretion in enforcing draft/userification even when contested would probably cover the rest. Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alpha3031 Unfortunately, I can anticipate a negative impact on our relationships with universities if there were a few too many drafts being moved back into draftspace over a professors/students objections. But, as you said, this student probably didn't complete the training as intended, so my objection is mainly to that is that the benefit is smaller than the (already small) risk.

I'm not sure why there's such an expectation to move things to mainspace, to be frank. I just know when there's a "move to mainspace" step, we have problems with a small minority of students. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 07:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This does not appear to be an attempt to write an encyclopedia article. McYeee (talk) 03:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per WP:NOTESSAY and the other reasons already provided. (Also, as a professor, I'd like to apologize for all the profs who think having students write mainspace WP articles is a good idea. For every good article generated we get dozens of pieces of awkward clutter that have to be cleaned up for years to come. Whenever I see that WikiEdu template, I shudder.) WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 10:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@WeirdNAnnoyed No need to apologize! Personally, I think it's perhaps best to have students improve existing articles. I've seen some improvement when that happens. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 15:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Essay, not properly using in-line citations. This could be perhaps brought back in the context of an "AI in healthcare" article, covering the entire planet, not one specific location. Delete as this doesn't seem to fit into Wiki. Oaktree b (talk) 15:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Myers (footballer)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 07:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete‎ per WP:G3. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Avar-Kabardian campaign (1618)

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This is a (possible, but not assured) WP:HOAX. Most sources are offline and, those that aren't, are broken links. At least two of the sources don't appear to exist at all (or at least in any database like Worldcat, etc.). I approved this via WP:AFC based on a background check that accidentally conflated this campaign with what, on further investigation, was an entirely different event.

The new editor who submitted this also submitted another article related to a battle which I just rejected at AFC, after being unable to confirm that some of the sources even existed, let alone supported the content. Note my comments there [12]. Chetsford (talk) 02:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Update: I have blocked the author of this article. Chetsford (talk) 05:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Many of the sources do not appear to exist (e.g. I can find no evidence of a Yuri A. Popov affiliated with North-Caucasus Federal University and the link is to ncuf.edu, which is the wrong domain; it should be ncfu.ru. Similarly there is no caucasusherald.com or historicalecho.com or caucasianstudies.org.) If this isn't a hoax, the references are so badly constructed that I am unable to find the sources cited, and in many cases even the authors and publishers of those sources, and Google Scholar turns up no results for "Avar-Kabardian 1618". Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 12:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Except a link to this article I cannot find anything on Google, Scholar, etc. about this alleged event and I cannot verify even a single of the sources provided. Killarnee (talk) 13:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. While Journal of Caucasian Studies does exist, no such paper that was referenced in the article was published that year. I suspect it to be reference fabrication. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 14:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ri Myong-jun

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 01:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Redirect to 2007 FIFA U-17 World Cup squads#North Korea as WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 02:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Bits around and more on the web to digest, I found little bits with [13], [14], youtube, [15]. There appears to be more sources around on the internet about him which I can't be bothered to go through. The nature of his career shows there was interest in him and some reporters have picked up on that and reported it. You just need to go looking, an extensive WP:BEFORE hasn't been done here in my opinion. Govvy (talk) 09:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Julie Breathnach-Banwait

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I don't believe she meets WP:AUTHOR or WP:BIO more broadly. 1 hit in google news and nothing in google books which is surprising for a writer. LibStar (talk) 01:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and augment. Part of the issue with the author is that it can be difficult to meet WP:AUTHOR when her working language is Irish, and that doesn't Google so well. I'll also point to her article in the Irish Language Wikipedia, which has clearly met inclusion criteria there. Yes - different wiki, different rules, but still ... - Alison ^talk 04:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Google Books actually does have quite a few hits, BTW - Alison ^talk 05:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Which of the google books hits would be WP:SIGCOV? LibStar (talk) 05:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'm not seeing sufficient independent RS to show that the notability criteria have been met. JMWt (talk) 11:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep: Her works have been included in anthologies [16], and some analysis here [17] and here [18]. There's some coverage in Gaelic (?) sources if you limit it to .ie websites, but I can't tell what qualifies as a RS in that language. Oaktree b (talk) 15:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This also seems to be a RS [19], hosted on a WordPress site, but it's an online magazine with an editorial board and such. Oaktree b (talk) 15:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relative Success with Tabatha

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Fails GNG. Most of the sources provided are www.showbuzzdaily.com . The other sources not reliable being instagram and tvguide.com LibStar (talk) 00:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – while there is some coverage (see this, this, this), it often borders on tabloid-y and focuses on the star as much as, if not more than, the program. It should be mentioned at Tabatha Coffey#Television as it currently is, but a standalone article seems unwarranted. RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A redirect then? (Not opposed to Keep, myself, given existing coverage).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[t394-1] Lappin, Yaakov (30 November 2009). "Taxi driver found dead in cab in North". The Jerusalem Post. Retrieved 24 October 2024.

[y031-2] "Nazareth Imam Convicted of Inciting Terror". Israel National News. Retrieved 24 October 2024.

[t030-3] Shay, S. (2017). Somalia in Transition Since 2006. Taylor & Francis. p. 1-PT87. ISBN 978-1-351-48876-1. Retrieved 24 October 2024.

[4] Azriel, Guy (28 June 2010). "7 Nazareth residents indicted for attacks against Jews, Christians". CNN. CNN. Archived from the original on 9 September 2014. Retrieved 8 September 2014.

[u739-5] Ashkenazi, Eli (15 July 2010). "Shin Bet Arrests Eight Israeli Arabs for Illicit Arms Trading". Haaretz.com. Retrieved 24 October 2024.

[6] Symons, Mitchell (2007). "Famous People Who Use Their Middle Names As First Names". This, That And The Other. Transworld Publishers. p. 183. ISBN 978-0-552-15647-9. Archived from the original on June 22, 2024. Retrieved June 22, 2024.

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