User talk:Someone else/talk3

If "Top Cat"'s "close friends get to call him T.C.", do "Boss Cat"'s "close friends get to call him B.C."? -- Someone else

Aha! I was just about to complain that the blanking of your talk page would mean that we'd never get to know! To be honest, I can't remember, but maybe someone else... I mean, maybe some other person will know... (Damn it, your name causes such confusion!) -- Oliver P. 22:31 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)

You are really Someone who makes me surprised, and always seem to have a happy smile. Please spread your humour and everything you know about Hanno (or any other historical pacyderm you have records about ath the wiki I made for EEKMA.

Like here: http://www.eekma.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Famous_elephants

You will feel a sense of history on this site, seeing old UseMod again... :) Dan Koehl 23:12 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)

Dan, Well, I gave it a shot, I don't know the UseMod, so I hope it saved ok! Let me know what I've done wrong<G> and I may be able to avoid it on other famous elephants! -- Someone else 23:56 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)

Hey great article, thanks. Hope to see you there in the djungle now and then! I dont want to change anything, its so nice with the author name Someone else.

But if you care to change, the historical persons and such can be linked to wikipedia by using WikiPedia:Article_title/name_of_person and the links goes here! Dan Koehl 21:44 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

Thanx again! Its so nice thet theres Someone else interested in elephants! Dan Koehl 22:31 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

Well, elephants ARE nice, and people who like animals tend to be nicer that those who don't<G>. I suspect Hanno would have had a longer life if the people taking care of him were a little smarter about elephants (but then human, as well as veterinary, medicine, was pretty primitive in 1514!) Sounds to me like he had some intestinal problem, and they diagnosed angina! -- Someone else 22:37 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

Yes, I wrote an article on the Swedish wikipedia about Abul-Abbas, Charlemagnes elephant, who arrive to Europe 801 and died (in penuomnia?) after crossing Rhine 804 when he was supposed to be used as war elephant against the danes. Theres along list of historical elephants, with very short life span.Dan Koehl 23:12 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

I thought he had more than one, so he could assessorize when needs be. 'Ok! Which one will I pick?' (BAAAD joke!) On a more serious side, keep an eye out for Daeron's 'adaptions. After losing the battle (to common sense) on the Australia page, and the constitutional monarchy page, he suddenly cropped up on the Commonwealth page to insist that a commonwealth is by definition a republic. I had to reword it to be accurate. Then he popped up on the Prime Minister page to assert how Australia had no monarch (which is a logical place to state that nonsense, not!) So God knows where he will pop up next to doctor something next; the page on the Columbia disaster, with a 'Columbia had a few hours earlier flown over the Australian republic' line??? (We also had an anonymous user create a [Republic of Japan] page, which would have come as a bit of a surprise to the Japanese emperor! Is there an outbreak of 'republicanitus' out there?) It is at this stage getting beyond a joke. Making a ludicrous argument and being shot down is one thing. But then 'going secondary' by doctoring other pages to add in the same crap is going too far. If he does it again, I'm tempted to put him on the 'annoying users' page. (I believe there is one, but I don't know where!) {Maybe he'll appear on the papal tiara page next, announcing 'Unlike popes, Australia's head of state (sic) does not wear a crown of any kind!' Weird!} JTD 02:31 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree that "problem users" is vastly underused - but the annoying ones quickly declare themselves. Sometime's it's useful to take a break from putting out fires and do something more creative for a bit...you can always go back to damage control when it's less annoying. Me, I'm worried about whether it is proper to describe the President of the United States in Congress assembled as a head of government... <G> -- Someone else 02:47 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC) P.S. is it true or urban legend that John Paul II contracted hepatitis C as a result of blood transfusion? I missed it in your list of his ailments (I also should dig out my notes on where removed pope-parts are kept in canopic-like jars).....

OK. I've had enough of Daeron. He went and vandalised the Commonwealth page again, twisting it around to say commonweath = republic, therefore Australia is a republic. (The commonweath page is linked to the Australia one, hence the change.) Where do I find the annoying users page, do you know? JTD 02:50 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

Click on my "problem users" link! I guess Massachusetts is a republic, then? Defending facts against the lies of determined zealots seems to be a particular sticking-place for Wikipedia :( -- Someone else 02:58 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

Re: Hanno -- Everything looks right to me --Ducker 13:05 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

About History of elephants in Europe, great!!! (in many form and shapes)

Ill soon have something ready! (Nice with pics of Hanno. Can they be linked from the EEKMA wiki?) Dan Koehl 14:50 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

I will give it a try, but I needed help to do it here (I'm not too proficient with image manipulation)...we'll see how it works. I do like the top pic of Hanno<G> - Someone else 20:04 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

is it ok just simply link the images from Wikiedia? Dan Koehl 21:56 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

Well, it's ok with me. Dunno about Wikipedia's feelings. I am just no good at image syntax! -- Someone else 00:15 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

Oh, how could you have forgotten the poor mammoths? I've just added them to the page. :) Oh, and that's an impressive list of Spencer-descendants that you've added to the Spencer family page, even if the page is itself a bit of an odd one. Where are these people's descents all documented? -- Oliver P. 15:57 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

Mammoths! Feh! They're just elephant wanna-be's <G>. You're right that it works better with sentences, too. I have over 4000 people descended from Henry Spencer in my files, so I left a few of the less-known out - compiled from various places, if there's a particular line you're interested in I'd be happy to share. --- Someone else 20:04 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

Ah, files! How organised of you. I'm still living in the Dark Ages, and have most of my genealogical notes on random bits of paper hidden in forgotten corners of my room, although I have made a half-hearted attempt to start putting them into my computer... And I've collected a few GEDCOM files that people have left lying around on the Internet, but they all seem so unreliable that I get quite depressed looking through them! What software do you use for genealogical stuff? I quite like GeneWeb - it's free software, you know. I wasn't really asking about any of the lines in particular; just interested in a vague, general way... But I keep getting attacked by my conscience telling me that I should be putting in references for everything in these articles, but then again, putting in every reference needed to confirm a line of descent from a mediaeval person to a modern person would make the list of references fifty times as long as the article itself, so that'd be crazy... Should we just put, "Trust me, I know what I'm talking about," at the bottom of everything? ;) -- Oliver P. 21:42 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

I agree that anything that one can find ONLY on the internet is at best suspect. I've put a list of the books I've found reasonably reliable at User:Someone else/genealogical bibliography. Reasonably reliable online sources include: An Online Gotha, the associated site Decendants of King James I/VI, and Brigitte Gastel Lloyd's site with information from Leo van de Pas. -- Someone else 00:15 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, and that's a nice bibliography! I'll have to get hold of some of those. Well, I've got two of them already. Unfortunately, some of the others are rather out of my price range, and require trips to great big libraries to consult... Is the "Lesbian ancestors" monograph just this webpage, or is there a printed version? And if the latter, does it contain more than the online version? -- Oliver P. 00:25 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

Dang! I didn't know he'd published it on the web! I think that's the whole thing (it's one of my favorite things to cite: I was familiar only with the microfiche copies deposited at various libraries (My 2nd favorite citation, for the record, is "The Church and Bantu Music"). -- Someone else 00:30 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

It is a good title, yes. :) But I didn't know that Mr. Willis had a new book out. The Descendants of King George I of Great Britain, eh? Damn, I'm so out of touch. I contacted him to ask about The Descendants of Louis XIII, when that came out, and I could swear he told me that his next project was going to be the descendants of Charles I! Oh well. I bought the Louis XIII one a couple of years ago, via Amazon. It arrived with the cover broken off, so Amazon sent me a free replacement, and soon afterwards the cover fell off that one, too. Grrr. Does the new book suffer from the same problem...? Not that I'm judging the book by its cover, of course... ;) -- Oliver P. 00:40 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

Short answer: Yes. Longer complaint: Yes, I hate those bindings, yes, the cover fell off George too, no, the bindings never survive, and I'm assuming it's because they use cheap paper for the "mull": in a book that thick, they should use STRONG paper. I can't imagine any of these books surviving a week without being rebound. -- Someone else 00:48 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

Seems like a discussion which could be a topic at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Genealogy:) Dan Koehl 22:01 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

The story of Abul-Abbas is there, but suffering from scandinavian english. I hope you or someone else can check the english. :) Dan Koehl 05:45 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

Excellent! It's already gotten some attention, the English is fine, an odd word here and there and English capitalizes funny. I'm not sure EXACTLY what a trade village is though, I used "trading village" but I'm not sure if there's an exact English equivalent. -- Someone else 05:59 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

I wonder if Someone else has an opinion about what the danes are doing with their ancient kings, see http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konger%E6kken. They must have nightmares in their graves now, this cant go on :) Opinions? (see the discussion page, I have stated my absolute and very upset opinion there :) Dan Koehl 23:38 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)

The problem is that they are not interested in history or genelogists, but thay took a lot of material from some encycklopdi. Eventuall someone checked the official royal website and for some verystrangedanish reason roman letters are avoided there. I am trying to save their <a> from future problems since they will have alot of t work to do. see the king John of Denmark at http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans. Apart from that they killed a lot of langauge links, but Christian took a lot of time repairing them. (with king 4 numbers)

I just thought Ill do what I can can to convince them that this is not vise. But of course its theur decision. But imagine what will happen when the first genealogist starts to contribute, heel go nuts. (or do I really get a little to upset here?) Dan Koehl 01:09 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)

Well, it's easy to get excited, but probably better for you just to take a deep breath and relax...there, see, that's better!.... all you can do is offer your advice, and it's their problem (and it will be!) later... Still as long as it "maps" one to one (6=VI, etc.), it could be worse. At least you can make some sense out of the Danish! -- Someone else 01:13 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC) (P.S. do you know anything about the Stockmar counts? Just a long shot...) (P.P.S. Some <a> just cannot be saved!<G>)

Dont have anything myself, while googling I found some baronets (no counts), suppose you honeycombed google for the good old Stockmar´s? Whats the connection anyway? Dan Koehl 02:30 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, I did find a bit. Just idle curiousity, one of their relatives married (well, not so much married really, more like "was involved with") Leopold I of Belgium. I >think< they had Danish ancestry. I'll just file this away for later in case I find more ancestors for her<G>. -- Someone else 02:34 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)

You removed your links! How am I going to get to your bibliography now? :( -- Oliver P. 14:00 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC) (P.S. - That was a rhetorical question, since I can still find it really, but I was just wondering why you removed the links...)

Just entering "read-only" mode, lest I accidentally mention "the nationality that dare not speak its name". --- Someone else 23:52 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)

Oh yes, that. What a strange business it all is. Well, have fun reading! --- Oliver P. 03:03 Mar 1, 2003 (UTC)

Hello someone, I'd appreciate it if you could read over ketone bodies. Thanks, AxelBoldt 08:06 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)

) Dan Koehl 11:34 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC) Will bring more Eles into the clouds og human history...

Hi,Did you see Gaz variety of an ancestor chart at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Genealogy? Dan Koehl 10:38 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)

Thanz, BTW for adding your weight into the Otto of Bavaria 'debate'. STÓD/ÉÍRE 07:31 Mar 9, 2003 (UTC)

actually it looks like you won that battle before reinforcements were needed <G> -- Someone else 07:34 Mar 9, 2003 (UTC)

Thanx. I never thought of that method of moving the page. I'm pretty annoyed over the emperor naming. It is so blatently illogical. If everyone does that and gets away with it, because it is their local manner even though the rest of the world won't be able to make head or tail of it, wikipedia will soon end up an unreadable mess. Everyone I checked with thought it crazy and ludicrous. Between Susan Mason's nutty naming ideas all over the place and the appearance of nonsensical lists all over, I'm pretty pissed off right now. I'm tempted to give up and do something whose standards I can stand over. (Seeing the size of my phone bill after all the time spent on the net, 85% on wiki, hasn't done my mood any better either.) Take care STÓD/ÉÍRE 01:19 Mar 12, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Someone else, I notice you're italicizing scientific names of organisms in various pages. While you're doing it, I'd like to suggest you use the HTML italics rather than the 2-quotes emphasis, i.e. like this, rather than like this. Although they look the same, conceivably the 2-quotes emphasis will change in the future to some other markup, and then the scientific names will be in, say, small caps. The HTML tag guarantees the correct format. I acknowledge I'm being somewhat pedantic; it's not a really big deal (couldn't resist -- that was emphasis).

Zashaw 04:40 Mar 22, 2003 (UTC)

Hiya, Zashaw!
Actually, believe it or not, I'm not actively following you around madly italicizing<g>, but species' names for some reason really bug me - my analyst says it's harmless. As for the method of italicization, my understanding was that wiki-style-markup is to be preferred to html-style-markup in cases where there's a choice. Of course, that may have changed, since I am now used to using it :) - or I may have been completely wrong in my understanding. At this point, sadly or not, I think '' can never stop being italic, since it's everywhere here! -- Someone else 05:26 Mar 22, 2003 (UTC)

Yes, '' '' is preferred over (and binomial names should always be italicized). However we still keep around because '' '' used to be impossible to nest. But now that '''USS ''Langley''''' works the same as '''USS Langley''' (both giving USS Langley) I really don't know why we keep around. All I know is that when I see or I do a find and replace on the text so that '' and ''' are in the articles instead. --mav

Thanks, Mav, good to know! -- Someone else 09:30 Mar 22, 2003 (UTC)

I sit corrected. Thanks. Plus it's nice to know people follow me around :-) Zashaw 21:22 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Someone else, sorry for deleting your edits on Blood pressure, was an accident. Hope I restored the important points, but if you'd care to have another look... Thanks for your helpKosebamse 06:00 Mar 23, 2003 (UTC)

Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa. :) Yeah, blame the lateness. I'm having an 'image-full' night. I found a nutty right wing catholic website which has tons of photos (well, a few at least) all copyright free (yippee!) with the explicit instruction go forth and spread, so the graphic designer in mehas come out, I'm go forthing and spreading and I've been plonking in religious images here there and everywhere. I'm current 'doing' Pope John Paul II, done Masses (old & new), papal tiaras, rosary, Pope Paul VI - heh heh. I knew all that catholic stuff I knew would come useful some day. Hell, I'm probably the world's greatest expert on Papal Tiaras right now! Oh well. More religious imagery to spread around! Beats watching the war on Sky News! :) STÓD/ÉÍRE

Hello, I have been working on ethanol and I noticed that nobody explains why ethanol acts as a disinfectant. Do you know? AxelBoldt 19:03 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)

I think Roxie Hart is good enough, with (movie) attached. We can probably go with Chicago (1927 movie) and Chicago (2002 movie), and probably just Chicago (musical) and discuss all iterations of it in one article. What do you think? -- Zoe

See my comments at User talk:BrianSmithson on Crusader Rabbit. And do you remember his theme song? "Dum-dada-dum, Crusader Rabbit. Dum-dada-dum, Crusader Rabbit ..." :) -- Zoe

Sorry, can't say I remember the Colonel. -- Zoe

Hey, someone. I hope you don't mind, but I redirected the Alma Schindler to Alma Mahler. That is how she is usually known, as far as I know. The article that I wrote there also had more info, including some on her affair with Kokoschka. I kept all of your information and incorporated it. Please check it out and edit/change/correct as you see fit. Danny

Alma was an interesting woman, wasn't she? Danny

(butting in)--I just noticed that article - I'd kept meaning to write about her for months, but as usual never got round to it. Her influence on Mahler, and on the perception of Mahler after his death, is worth an article by itself, before you even get onto her--how can I put it--emotional generosity. By the way, Someone, thanks very much for the Paul Wittgenstein link - interesting reading (though I must admit, the thought of yet another Hindemith concerto coming to light doesn't exactly fill me with joy...) --Camembert

Are you getting as sick of trying to keep a lid on this Ptolemaic (Plolemic, whatever) stuff as I am? :p -- John Owens 01:29 Apr 5, 2003 (UTC)

OK, now that I'm a sysop, first thing I did was run around and clean up all that stuff; Ptolemaic dynasty is back where it belongs, with its history intact, and most of those other pages he created are no more. Let me know if you find any more (I think I left one redirect alive for now). -- John Owens 09:50 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

An Alma Mahler doll? Well, I know what I want for my birthday now! I daresay I'll get round to writing about her influence on Gustav one day, though I should probably write a bit more about Gustav himself first. By the way, which one of those pictures on your user page is of you? --Camembert

On a good day, that would be Squeak (the one on the left). The Alma Mahler doll was apparently beheaded by Kokoschka at an orgy, in a vain attempt to exorcise his mad passion. (I could almost hear bodices ripping when I wrote that last sentence.) Thanks for the Fred II assist<G>. -- Someone else 02:51 Apr 5, 2003 (UTC)

Good job on Vladimir Lenin. I'll do the same for the date pages. -- Zoe

Re: PT Barnum...I'll give it a shot. It will teach me some tricks I should know. Kingturtle 04:56 Apr 8, 2003 (UTC)

Hiya. Finally got around to the Laurent of Belgium issue. The agreed convention was to use {title} {name} of {title/country}. Using {title} of {country/title} isn't workable because

many royals have specific titles that don't work in that form; eg, Prince William of Wales isn't Prince of Wales.
not including title first creates problems. It is best left for monarchs and royal consorts, meaning that if there is no title we can presume the person is a monarch. If they aren't, a title is stated upfront. Slán. STÓD/ÉÍRE 21:16 Apr 9, 2003 (UTC)

Works for me. (P.S. SOMEONE needs to archive his talk page, and it's not me!). I'm so happy not to have Prince Laurent of Belgium at "Laurent Marie" I won't even bring up the Princess Astrid of Belgium vs Archduchess Astrid of Austria issue. <G> -- Someone else 21:22 Apr 9, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting out the Pope Pius XII mystery. I suppose having spent a long time staring at that page while rewriting it, I never noticed the spare ]. I think it is a reasonably OK article now. STÓD/ÉÍRE 21:29 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC)

You've certainly improved it a lot. (It used to go from birth to him being an antisemite with a mention that he was pope!). And I like the coat of arms pic. Am I misremembering, or did he experience some kind of Marian vision or locutions?? (P.S. Your talk page is STILL too long!!<G>) -- Someone else 21:33 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry about the delay in archiving my page. The browser never told me it was that big. (Bad, Bad Browser!) Re the question of Nicolas II's brother; if my memory serves me correctly, from reading Nicholas II's abdication instrument, he named Mikhail as his heir and Mikhail initially agreed then within a short space of time (VERY short) said no, was told 'but you have already accepted. You can't unaccept, Your Majesty!' so unaccepted and abdicated simultaneously to keep everyone happy. I think the best thing to do is that where a monarch abdicated in favour of someone else to say it, even while saying 'they never took up the throne' or whatever. That's why I mentioned that King Farouk abdicated in favour of Faud II - without saying Faud II was the last de facto King of Egypt - whatever about de jure. Similarly a nineteenth century page would mention how Charles X of France abdicated in favour of 'Henry V' but he was immediately deposed by Louis-Philippe. That way you avoid someone coming along and saying - wooa! what about Faud II, Henry V, Mikhail II, etc and changing the page. So the de facto and de jure situations are covered. STÓD/ÉÍRE 01:19 Apr 14, 2003 (UTC)

At least we know Alexis wasn't tsar. Nicholas II's abdication explicitly abdicated in the name of all his heirs, as we was legally entitled to do, rather than setting up a regency. He unambiguously named Mikhail as his successor, and Mikhail accepted, then didn't, then was told he wasn't acceptable to the provisional government, then decided to abdicate. So I would class 'Mikail II' as possibly de jure tsar, certainly not de facto. (Once upon a time I began studying heads of state, presidents, monarchs etc etc. I am now the ultimate anorak on the issue. Though at least it has made me some money, as I've been asked to 'brief' or do reports for two presidents, a possible third one, a monarch and various publications. So an anorak making money from their anoraking. Wow!) STÓD/ÉÍRE 02:00 Apr 14, 2003 (UTC)

BTW I don't know if you are on a Mac :-) or a PC :-( I downloaded the safari browser recently for my mac and it is heaven. Better than Explorer (with less tendency to screw up wiki pages or crawl) and a damn sight nicer looking than Netscape (which I hate!!!). It works well and is VERY fast. If it is compatible with your system I certainly would recommend it. (I downloaded it, Opera and Camino (so I now have 5!!!). I tested them all and found it was far and away the best. Let me know if you want it. The details are somewhere in my last archive page and I can dig them out if necessary. STÓD/ÉÍRE 02:17 Apr 14, 2003 (UTC)

I got an eMac last August and it was well worth it. I cannot believe how good it is. (It is playing Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata on iTunes in the background here on CD, while I am also downloading an MPEG - and doing this.) The graphics are fab, the screen quality first class; it does get a bit of getting used to, and I am someone who has difficulty changing a lightbulb without blacking out all of North Dublin! It regularly tells me when there is a new updated version of something on the hardisk available for free (preferably) on the net. (Now Guns'n'Roses is playing!) I have the old computer sitting nearby under a table and I keep looking over and wondering how the hell did I use that for so long? (Actually I have yet to play a CD-ROM on it (oh good, Eric Clapton's Wonderful Tonight has started!) So go out and buy that new mac a.s.a.p. You won't regret it. And then dump I. Explorer that you'll find it and get safari. Then you'll be on cloud nine. (Oh good. Here comes the Pogues now!!!) STÓD/ÉÍRE

I'd love to hear it myself, though I dread to think what a progy might be. Ugh. --Camembert

Hi Someone! Re: Colin Ferguson -- I tried to be distinct about insane -- that it was claimed that he was insane (directed to mental illness) and that he refused to plead insanity (directed to insanity defense). Did I miss a subtlety? I did consider rewording the sentence so that it said "refused to use the insanity defense", to remove ambiguity, but it seemed to be fairly carefully composed, so I refrained. Suggestions? --Catherine

No, haven't yet been anywhere in New Jersey. We'll have to compare notes sometime. :-) Koyaanis Qatsi

Oh, wow. I think that trumps Palatka. Koyaanis Qatsi

Someone Else, I found Something Else about "sperren". See User talk:Djmutex. -- 2003-04-30

More news on typography. See User talk:Djmutex. Djmutex 22:27 May 1, 2003 (UTC)

Someone else, I got Fraktur news for you. :-) Found an interesting website with tons of high-quality TrueType Fraktur fonts... and they even have the long s on the backslash key. -- Djmutex 15:10 May 2, 2003 (UTC)

Excellent! And he has Open-Type fonts too! -- Someone else 19:25 May 2, 2003 (UTC)

I have to go back to work -- can you or somebody else who has the authority continue the fight against Zog and his racism, until one of the programmers gets off his ass and bans all versions of this jerk? -- Zoe

I found lately I was getting into the slice and dice habit too much. I, too, think the article is dubious. But it is fun to take on a project and try to salvage something. I asked J.J. to chime in, since he started the article. But he seems to have left his desk. Kingturtle 04:51 May 8, 2003 (UTC)

Mav-
If you're reading this, you can colour me consenting.<g> --Someone else 19:53 May 12, 2003 (UTC)

Kudos on "the White Thaw Nesbit Series"! -- Infrogmation 00:10 May 13, 2003 (UTC)

why do you remove:

(perhaps better classified as an excuse)
This defense is similar to the excuses of temporary insanity and provocation.

I assume you would have no problem with the first point, if you agreed that black rage was either a form of temporary insanity or provocation; as both of those defenses are forms of excuse.

Provocation (as a term of jurisprudence) refers to a possible defense by excuse; via which, a defendant may argue that they should not be held criminally liable for breaking the law, as they were provoked by an aggressor.

I would think it reasonable to conclude that the premise of black rage is that the "black victim" was driven to rage because the actions of "white society" were provocative; for example, if I walked up to a black man and said, "FUCK YOU NIGGAH" he might hit me and successfully argue that I provoked him. Black rage seems 'very similar to provocation.

Likewise, Ferguson certainly acted somewhat "insanely" and it is reasonable to conclude that his lawyers wanted to argue that he had been driven insane by his black rage.

There's no need to have the parenthetical phrase there: it's in the innovative defense article, and I find the phrase awkward. It's a VERY busy paragraph. Black rage was explicitly NOT an allegation of insanity, and did not allege provocation. But I ought not be arguing with a banned user. Please do not place me in that position. -- Someone else 00:59 May 13, 2003 (UTC)

We are trying to increase the number of people who are Wikipedia Administrators. Until now, we've been relying on users to take the initiative to ask for this access themselves but this has resulted in a slow rate Admin rank expansion. So we've gone ahead and nominated and approved you and several other long-time users for the account upgrade. This means that your fellow Wikipedians feel that you are a responsible, well-known, and fair-minded user.

Agreeing to be an Administrator does not mean that you are expected to do any additional work above and beyond what you do now ; It just means that we trust you to to have certain privileges and responsibilities that can't be entrusted to random users (such as editing the Main Page, protected policy pages, or banning the IPs of vandals).

All we need from you now is your consent. You can either send an email to WikiEN-L (preferred) or simply state "I agree" on the bottom of this page.

-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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